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<blockquote data-quote="3sixbits" data-source="post: 67954" data-attributes="member: 3661"><p>I was a junior high power shooter when all this was going on that you refer to in the .308 V 30-06 days and shot against the 30-06 with my state issued 7.62mm National match M-14. I well remember the composite target issued by the makers of the Match ammo in 1967. Lake City made both the 7.62mm and the 30-06. I well remember the transition from the 5V to the metric target. What Mr. Bobbit has to say is correct also. Following this argument to it logical conclusion the .308 should not be considered either in favor of the 5.56mm ctg. and this should be your choice for a deer ctg. As the 5.56mm has supplanted the 7.62mm ctg. Then using this same logic with it the short V. long ctg., we should look at the PPC over the 5.56mm NATO ctg. Anybody that has been around high power shooting for anytime will recall taking the issue 7.62mm NM ammo and seating the bullets deeper to break the bond between the sealant on the bullets and the inside of the necks, What Mr. Bobbet refers to in his article is cold welding, this did not occur as the sealant was between the dissimilar metals ie. the bullet jacket and the ctg. case neck. As explained in the article in the PS. magazine in the mid 90's. This article explains vary well the cold welding that occurs in ammo. I know vary well that the ability to kill paper and the ability to kill animals for some of us is the same. But for the few that don't see themselves in this light let me explain. A comparison between two different forms of competitive shooting will perhaps help for those of us that don't understand the difference. Bench rest and metallic silhouette are sports that have vary large followings. I do not believe that to many shooters doubt the dominance of the PPC ctg. in bench rest, shooters have tried and failed for nearly 3 decades have tried to beat this ctg. with little success. It by the way supplanted the triple deuce (.222 REM). It's safe to say it's accuracy goes pretty much unchallenged. Let us step next door to the metallic boys and look for the PPC. ctg. What you say no one is shooting the worlds acclaimed most accurate ctg. ? Whats wrong with theses people you might ask? Well there targets are not made of paper, they have a requirement to knock over the targets they shoot at. The PPC does not really fill the bill here, so we leave behind this much more accurate ctg. in favor of other ctgs. with more push. This could go on for days, I hope that some have begun to see a pattern here! Will the .308WIN kill deer? Who said it would not? Is the better ability to punch holes in paper of the .308WIN more important to the hunter than say this ctgs. famous inability to keep it's veloicty up with heavy weight bullets, at extended ranges? Perhaps the 30-06 still has a role in this world for the few of us that have rifles for something other than blowing holes through paper! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="3sixbits, post: 67954, member: 3661"] I was a junior high power shooter when all this was going on that you refer to in the .308 V 30-06 days and shot against the 30-06 with my state issued 7.62mm National match M-14. I well remember the composite target issued by the makers of the Match ammo in 1967. Lake City made both the 7.62mm and the 30-06. I well remember the transition from the 5V to the metric target. What Mr. Bobbit has to say is correct also. Following this argument to it logical conclusion the .308 should not be considered either in favor of the 5.56mm ctg. and this should be your choice for a deer ctg. As the 5.56mm has supplanted the 7.62mm ctg. Then using this same logic with it the short V. long ctg., we should look at the PPC over the 5.56mm NATO ctg. Anybody that has been around high power shooting for anytime will recall taking the issue 7.62mm NM ammo and seating the bullets deeper to break the bond between the sealant on the bullets and the inside of the necks, What Mr. Bobbet refers to in his article is cold welding, this did not occur as the sealant was between the dissimilar metals ie. the bullet jacket and the ctg. case neck. As explained in the article in the PS. magazine in the mid 90's. This article explains vary well the cold welding that occurs in ammo. I know vary well that the ability to kill paper and the ability to kill animals for some of us is the same. But for the few that don't see themselves in this light let me explain. A comparison between two different forms of competitive shooting will perhaps help for those of us that don't understand the difference. Bench rest and metallic silhouette are sports that have vary large followings. I do not believe that to many shooters doubt the dominance of the PPC ctg. in bench rest, shooters have tried and failed for nearly 3 decades have tried to beat this ctg. with little success. It by the way supplanted the triple deuce (.222 REM). It's safe to say it's accuracy goes pretty much unchallenged. Let us step next door to the metallic boys and look for the PPC. ctg. What you say no one is shooting the worlds acclaimed most accurate ctg. ? Whats wrong with theses people you might ask? Well there targets are not made of paper, they have a requirement to knock over the targets they shoot at. The PPC does not really fill the bill here, so we leave behind this much more accurate ctg. in favor of other ctgs. with more push. This could go on for days, I hope that some have begun to see a pattern here! Will the .308WIN kill deer? Who said it would not? Is the better ability to punch holes in paper of the .308WIN more important to the hunter than say this ctgs. famous inability to keep it's veloicty up with heavy weight bullets, at extended ranges? Perhaps the 30-06 still has a role in this world for the few of us that have rifles for something other than blowing holes through paper! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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