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<blockquote data-quote="abinok" data-source="post: 64177" data-attributes="member: 16"><p><strong>Ric, fiftydriver, trader388,and others,...</strong></p><p></p><p>Ric, Fiftydriver, trader388, and others.....</p><p>I hope you don't mind, but rather than using the quote feature over and over, im going to post your statements, alegations, and accusations in plain text so I can respond to them more easily, in between. Sorry if its a bit harder to follow.</p><p></p><p>abinok....</p><p></p><p>factory stick except for trigger shooting 8" group at 1350 yards....</p><p></p><p>you have 1412 FULL POWER WM rounds down the tube and a total of 2502 rounds....</p><p></p><p>OK I belive in alot of things but I am having a HARD time beliveing this....</p><p></p><p>most 300WM tubes are good for 1500 rounds .... then accuracy usually goes south.....</p><p></p><p>you have 1000 more down it... reguardless if they were reduced loads or not.... wear is wear....</p><p></p><p>you must have the mother of all savages rifles not to mention factory tubes....</p><p></p><p>sorry man.... I just can't seem to choke this one down....</p><p></p><p>If I am wrong I appologize openly and publicly... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Factory yes, completly stock no. Either way, yes, its mostly as it came from the factory.</p><p>I know that my round count is accurate because I have documented every one. The first 400ish were federal factory ammo loaded with 180 sierra pro hunters. I got a good deal on a case the same time I bought the rifle, and Figured on shooting these until I got into handloading. I have been reloading the same brass ever since(with some win and rem componets bought in the mean time). This is my second factory savage barrel (bought the one im shooting now as a takeoff), and my third barrel on this rifle. Ive seen more accurate rifles, including some savages, and this is a good tube, except for the fact that after about 25 rounds of full power stuff, it copper fouls horrably. I have shot more than 50rds of my 90gr load in a single setting without accuracy dropping off.... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Adinok,</p><p></p><p>That is a HELL of a group, I am not saying it did not happen as if you say it did I would not question that but the odds of it happening are extremely low. Was this group with your reduced loads.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I shot that group, and most that I shoot at this range with 220SMK over 73gr of H1000.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lsat I checked the Millet really had limited veritcal elevation adjustment range, so much though that even with a 20 moa bass it would be hard pressed to reach 1500 yards with full tilt 300 Win Mag loads. You must have been using the lower mild dots for aiming points for past 1600 yard shooting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This scope has 555 1/8moa clicks. 69.375 moa. This rifle is zeroed for 500yds, and I have 7.5 moa left under the 500yd zero. I can click down to 250yd zero if I like. Usually I hold under using the mildots. The millet is not marked on the zoom ring for the magnification at which it is = to 1mil, so I set up a known size target at 400, and calibrated/marked it myself. In the 55-60 degree weather we have been having here lately, im using 41.75 moa of elevation to get to 1350.</p><p>Going to 1600 took 58.75moa. Temp was just over 90. I have 4moa left at this distance. Yes, I usually use the dots past 1600.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyway, what is your averge group size at this range. If your holding honest 1 moa group averages at 1000 yards or beyond, you better get to every 1000 yard BR match you can because you will win everyone or at least be very competitive.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Most are running between 1.13moa and 1.67moa. My largest group at 1350 was the second one I ever shot at 2.19moa, or 31". I have never shot 1000BR, and since there arent any close, it will probably be a while. Before you forget, this is a 3 shot group with a called flyer. 4 shots in13". These were fired in a almost perfectly calm wind condition, and under my own terms. Not under the time constraints of sanctioned competition, not 5 shot groups, and not 10 shot groups.</p><p>Kirby, isn't the 5 shot IBS record (the closest thing to which this could be easliy compares) still 1.996"</p><p>Maybe my calculator is out of wack, but thats a fair bit under 1moa.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That puts it into perspective how amazing that shot is that you made.</p><p></p><p>Good Shooting!!</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know what else I can say to convince you guys, </p><p>sooo......</p><p>consider this an open invitation to anybody in the area to come by and have a look. </p><p>***1 condition though, you gotta bring a gun***.</p><p>If you don't want to shoot at 1350, I can set up smaller portables as close as 900 where I shoot 1350, and I have 100-400yd berms in front of my benchrest here at the house. Otherwise, its a 15min drive to the other property for distances between 400 and 900. Im smack in the middle of Oklahoma, 30 miles southwest of OKC. Post over in the general discussion area, or email me if you are interested, because I hate to devote more space in this area to this kind of junk. </p><p></p><p>This invitation is open to people who want to shoot, as well as those interested in urinating for distance. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif</p><p></p><p>And lest I forget trader388's post, the only bs around here is from the registered polled herefords my family raises..</p><p></p><p>To the origional poster, 270izzy, sorry for derailing your topic, if only for a little bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="abinok, post: 64177, member: 16"] [b]Ric, fiftydriver, trader388,and others,...[/b] Ric, Fiftydriver, trader388, and others..... I hope you don't mind, but rather than using the quote feature over and over, im going to post your statements, alegations, and accusations in plain text so I can respond to them more easily, in between. Sorry if its a bit harder to follow. abinok.... factory stick except for trigger shooting 8" group at 1350 yards.... you have 1412 FULL POWER WM rounds down the tube and a total of 2502 rounds.... OK I belive in alot of things but I am having a HARD time beliveing this.... most 300WM tubes are good for 1500 rounds .... then accuracy usually goes south..... you have 1000 more down it... reguardless if they were reduced loads or not.... wear is wear.... you must have the mother of all savages rifles not to mention factory tubes.... sorry man.... I just can't seem to choke this one down.... If I am wrong I appologize openly and publicly... Factory yes, completly stock no. Either way, yes, its mostly as it came from the factory. I know that my round count is accurate because I have documented every one. The first 400ish were federal factory ammo loaded with 180 sierra pro hunters. I got a good deal on a case the same time I bought the rifle, and Figured on shooting these until I got into handloading. I have been reloading the same brass ever since(with some win and rem componets bought in the mean time). This is my second factory savage barrel (bought the one im shooting now as a takeoff), and my third barrel on this rifle. Ive seen more accurate rifles, including some savages, and this is a good tube, except for the fact that after about 25 rounds of full power stuff, it copper fouls horrably. I have shot more than 50rds of my 90gr load in a single setting without accuracy dropping off.... Adinok, That is a HELL of a group, I am not saying it did not happen as if you say it did I would not question that but the odds of it happening are extremely low. Was this group with your reduced loads. I shot that group, and most that I shoot at this range with 220SMK over 73gr of H1000. Lsat I checked the Millet really had limited veritcal elevation adjustment range, so much though that even with a 20 moa bass it would be hard pressed to reach 1500 yards with full tilt 300 Win Mag loads. You must have been using the lower mild dots for aiming points for past 1600 yard shooting. This scope has 555 1/8moa clicks. 69.375 moa. This rifle is zeroed for 500yds, and I have 7.5 moa left under the 500yd zero. I can click down to 250yd zero if I like. Usually I hold under using the mildots. The millet is not marked on the zoom ring for the magnification at which it is = to 1mil, so I set up a known size target at 400, and calibrated/marked it myself. In the 55-60 degree weather we have been having here lately, im using 41.75 moa of elevation to get to 1350. Going to 1600 took 58.75moa. Temp was just over 90. I have 4moa left at this distance. Yes, I usually use the dots past 1600. Anyway, what is your averge group size at this range. If your holding honest 1 moa group averages at 1000 yards or beyond, you better get to every 1000 yard BR match you can because you will win everyone or at least be very competitive. Most are running between 1.13moa and 1.67moa. My largest group at 1350 was the second one I ever shot at 2.19moa, or 31". I have never shot 1000BR, and since there arent any close, it will probably be a while. Before you forget, this is a 3 shot group with a called flyer. 4 shots in13". These were fired in a almost perfectly calm wind condition, and under my own terms. Not under the time constraints of sanctioned competition, not 5 shot groups, and not 10 shot groups. Kirby, isn't the 5 shot IBS record (the closest thing to which this could be easliy compares) still 1.996" Maybe my calculator is out of wack, but thats a fair bit under 1moa. That puts it into perspective how amazing that shot is that you made. Good Shooting!! Kirby Allen(50) I don't know what else I can say to convince you guys, sooo...... consider this an open invitation to anybody in the area to come by and have a look. ***1 condition though, you gotta bring a gun***. If you don't want to shoot at 1350, I can set up smaller portables as close as 900 where I shoot 1350, and I have 100-400yd berms in front of my benchrest here at the house. Otherwise, its a 15min drive to the other property for distances between 400 and 900. Im smack in the middle of Oklahoma, 30 miles southwest of OKC. Post over in the general discussion area, or email me if you are interested, because I hate to devote more space in this area to this kind of junk. This invitation is open to people who want to shoot, as well as those interested in urinating for distance. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] And lest I forget trader388's post, the only bs around here is from the registered polled herefords my family raises.. To the origional poster, 270izzy, sorry for derailing your topic, if only for a little bit. [/QUOTE]
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