Muzzleloader or Slug gun??

Discussion in 'Deer Hunting' started by spdrman, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. spdrman

    spdrman Well-Known Member

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    My little brother broke his leg last week so he is going to miss out on rifle deer season this year, there is a late deer hunt for short range weapons (shotguns, muzzleloaders, archery and handguns) and his cast shoud be coming off about the time that opens, I've used traditional muzzleloaders with loose powder and round balls and it shoots pretty good, im wanting to get him something I can mount a scope on and I don't have any experience with slug guns and very little with inline muzzleloaders, what would you guys suggest I try??

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  2. BountyHunter

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    HR slug hunter in 20 guage single shot or the new savage bolt action 20 guage.

    Both should give 3-4" groups max at 200 yds.

    BH
     

  3. zuba

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    I would suggest looking at the specialty handgun section here on long range hunting. They can reach farther then slug guns and do it a lot more accurately. And they do it a whole lot cooler then rifles :)
     
  4. spdrman

    spdrman Well-Known Member

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    I would love to use one of those specialty handguns other than we have restrictions keeping us from using them, the big thing is they have to be straight cased cartridges orginally designed for handgun use, they wouldn't let us use handguns for several years because of that and they just added them last year with tons of restrictions
     
  5. flyin lizard

    flyin lizard Well-Known Member

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    You mean one of these?
     
  6. spdrman

    spdrman Well-Known Member

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    What caliber is that?
     
  7. WildCard

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    flyin lizard,

    More details, please!!

    I'm in the market, as I live in Ohio where our options are pretty much pistol, slugs, or muzzleloader. I've been planning to buy a T/C contender in .44 mag but would be very interested to hear what works for you.

    Thanks!
     
  8. BountyHunter

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    Go to the TC guru Mike Bellm http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=24

    Read his articles on straight wall cartidges and TCs and issues with their standard chambering methods.

    I hunt Ohio with a 357 Maximum in a TC

    Mike rechambers the standard 357 into the Max which is the best straight wall deer cartridge. It is a decent 150 yard deer gun, but not as accurate or handy as the shotguns.

    You will find that with thbe Ohio straight wall restrictions, that the 20 ga slug guns will be more effective than any straight wall pistol cartridge.

    BH
     
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  9. Yotekiller

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    If the choice is between a muzzleloader or shotgun I would go with the shotgun. With a muzzleloader I have many problems with powder getting wet and consistency when I am hunting in wet or snowy or cold weather and multiple shots is nice.

    I don't know how old or big of a guy he is but if he can handle a twelve gauge with 3" partition gold slugs that is the most deadly combination in my opinion.
    In a bolt gun or break action the recoil is extremely severe!

    In my area most of us have gone to using gas operated auto loaders which take a large portion of the recoil out. Between all my buddies we have owned them all. The extreema and extreema 2 is a disaster, jams every time you try to unload, finicky about cycling different brands of ammo, and is expensive. A few friends bought them and they have never been used a second season. Super black eagles are lightweight and feel nice until you shoot them. They recoil the hardest of any of the autoloaders and are expensive. The Winchester super x, super x2, and super x3 have been excellent and much cheaper than any of the guns mentioned above. I can count on it to shoot and cycle shells regardless of how dirty or cold it is. The browning gold is every bit as good as the Winchesters but is a bit more expensive.

    If he is not up to shooting a 12 gauge I would recommend a 20 gauge with same ammo and gun recommendations.

    I haven't seen any of these guns above that could not consistently hit a deer size target at 200 yards. I don't think a 1" smaller group at that range is worth sacrificing the velocity, trajectory, or knock down power you gain with these shells. Nor do I think it is fun to have a bolt gun beating a scope into your head with them.
     
  10. zuba

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    Ross Schuler did a 470 capstick, which is a strait wall :) there are some videos on youtube... those MOA's are awesome pistols, and you can switch the barrels your self, the wait time is probably too long for this year though... moaguns.com
     
  11. flyin lizard

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    W C it is an MOA maximum in 6.5 x 47 lapua, 16 inch barrel including the brake. go to www.moaguns.com . These are not cheap guns and it will be close to 8 months from when you order it till you have it in hand. I still don't have it in hand yet. Still waiting on paper work from cobis. aka state BS. But when I finally get it and find the right load which I hear is not difficult the gun/cartridge will take deer size game to 500yds or so..