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<blockquote data-quote="keithcandler" data-source="post: 86931" data-attributes="member: 3728"><p><strong>My results with 7Mag and 150g Match kings Mixed.....</strong></p><p></p><p>velocity was 3150 out of a factory 700 with extreme accuracy. First 4 deer that I shot with them were at ranges of 100-225 yards, dropped right in their tracks with no running. The next couple that I shot had surface explosions where the bullet blew up on a rib and on the shoulder at impact velocities were around 3000 fps. I loaded the same load in my dad's and brother's 7 Mags, and they too had similar experiences, most of the deer drop right in their tracks with some surface explosion when bone was hit. Our conclusion was that in a 7 Mag, the 150 MK's at high velocity and at close range, if bone were hit, the bullet may or may not come apart, which is not hard to understand due to high impact velocity. I may have got fantastic results from the 7mm 168g match kings vs the 150g match king.</p><p></p><p>I too have used the 308 with 168g Match kings with fantastic results on mule deer and whitetail, no surprises, just dead deer, ranges from 125-350 yards. Obvious results of shooting the Match king slower. </p><p></p><p> I made my own bullets for shooting benchrest for 8 years and one of the annoying things that I learned was that Alloy used in Rolls of lead wire from the foundry along with bullet jacket alloy hardness/thickness vary from lot to lot. These variances could explain some of the variations in experiences with people's experiences using match kings. I do think that there are velocity (rpm) zones in which bullets perform better...it is all speculation based on my limited experience. Your deer kill certainly says that the heavy Match kings for that caliber at that particular impact velocity work and work well. How can anyone argue with your results?</p><p></p><p>I have a gunsmith friend in Alabama that builds a wild cat based on an 6.5 Ackley Improved version of a 257 Weatherby.</p><p>He is shooting the 120g Match kings at 3600-3700 fps and has reported his customers having 80+ one shot kills with no bullet blow ups! He is an excellent gunsmith and not a BS artist.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I prepare my rifes to be shot at yardages out to 600 yards which is about the limit here in the South. We are allowed to hunt deer during the rut here, and ranges can be from 25 yards to extreme ranges, you just never know where a buck is going to show up at when he is chasing does.</p><p></p><p>It is very hard for any bullet maker to make a bullet that will work at all ranges. In the end, you just have to try a particular combo and see how it works for you. It would have been interesting to see you several deer shot at 50-100 yards for a comparrison, which is where I think that the Match kings get most of their bad reputation. I do expect that the 308 with the 175g Match kings would have performed beautifully at 50 yards, slow big bullet. I wonder if you had shot the same bullet out of a 300 Ultra mag with an impact velocity of 3000 fps, what the results would have been? A 175g bullet at 3000 fps impact velocities would have still done the job I would certainly think.</p><p></p><p>Congrats on your fantastic hunt and great shooting! You certainly proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the heavy match kings work at longer ranges in a 308 and 6.5/284.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By the way, we NEVER had any Match Kings pencil through the deer.</p><p></p><p>Your shooting experiences with the Match kings at longer distances are a completely differnt can of worms compared to the short range shooting that I and my family was doing with the 7mm 150g Matchkings. Here in the South, we shoot power lines, Shots range from 50 yards to 600yards.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I realize that this is a longrange hunting site, but thought it important to relate my hunting experiences with the 7mm Mag 150g match king just in case someone had a very expensive deer hunt booked, planning on using this combo because they are shaking the dice on loosing an animal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keithcandler, post: 86931, member: 3728"] [b]My results with 7Mag and 150g Match kings Mixed.....[/b] velocity was 3150 out of a factory 700 with extreme accuracy. First 4 deer that I shot with them were at ranges of 100-225 yards, dropped right in their tracks with no running. The next couple that I shot had surface explosions where the bullet blew up on a rib and on the shoulder at impact velocities were around 3000 fps. I loaded the same load in my dad's and brother's 7 Mags, and they too had similar experiences, most of the deer drop right in their tracks with some surface explosion when bone was hit. Our conclusion was that in a 7 Mag, the 150 MK's at high velocity and at close range, if bone were hit, the bullet may or may not come apart, which is not hard to understand due to high impact velocity. I may have got fantastic results from the 7mm 168g match kings vs the 150g match king. I too have used the 308 with 168g Match kings with fantastic results on mule deer and whitetail, no surprises, just dead deer, ranges from 125-350 yards. Obvious results of shooting the Match king slower. I made my own bullets for shooting benchrest for 8 years and one of the annoying things that I learned was that Alloy used in Rolls of lead wire from the foundry along with bullet jacket alloy hardness/thickness vary from lot to lot. These variances could explain some of the variations in experiences with people's experiences using match kings. I do think that there are velocity (rpm) zones in which bullets perform better...it is all speculation based on my limited experience. Your deer kill certainly says that the heavy Match kings for that caliber at that particular impact velocity work and work well. How can anyone argue with your results? I have a gunsmith friend in Alabama that builds a wild cat based on an 6.5 Ackley Improved version of a 257 Weatherby. He is shooting the 120g Match kings at 3600-3700 fps and has reported his customers having 80+ one shot kills with no bullet blow ups! He is an excellent gunsmith and not a BS artist. I prepare my rifes to be shot at yardages out to 600 yards which is about the limit here in the South. We are allowed to hunt deer during the rut here, and ranges can be from 25 yards to extreme ranges, you just never know where a buck is going to show up at when he is chasing does. It is very hard for any bullet maker to make a bullet that will work at all ranges. In the end, you just have to try a particular combo and see how it works for you. It would have been interesting to see you several deer shot at 50-100 yards for a comparrison, which is where I think that the Match kings get most of their bad reputation. I do expect that the 308 with the 175g Match kings would have performed beautifully at 50 yards, slow big bullet. I wonder if you had shot the same bullet out of a 300 Ultra mag with an impact velocity of 3000 fps, what the results would have been? A 175g bullet at 3000 fps impact velocities would have still done the job I would certainly think. Congrats on your fantastic hunt and great shooting! You certainly proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the heavy match kings work at longer ranges in a 308 and 6.5/284. By the way, we NEVER had any Match Kings pencil through the deer. Your shooting experiences with the Match kings at longer distances are a completely differnt can of worms compared to the short range shooting that I and my family was doing with the 7mm 150g Matchkings. Here in the South, we shoot power lines, Shots range from 50 yards to 600yards. I realize that this is a longrange hunting site, but thought it important to relate my hunting experiences with the 7mm Mag 150g match king just in case someone had a very expensive deer hunt booked, planning on using this combo because they are shaking the dice on loosing an animal. [/QUOTE]
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