Lubricating AR-15, AR-10, SR-25. and other semi autos

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  1. Guest

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    For those of you who rely on a auto loading weapon for self defense, or are interested in weapon reliability when hunting in windy desert coditions, you might find this an interesting read ................


    ED OFFLEY, SOLDIERS FOR THE TRUTH - Buried deep within
    the latest news
    report on the deadly ambush of the 507th
    Transportation Maintenance Co.
    in Iraq on March 23, 2003, was a chilling nugget of
    information. It now
    appears that the soldiers who were killed or taken
    prisoner in that
    now-infamous firefight shared a common misfortune.
    Their rifles had all
    jammed.

    Disavowing an earlier news report that had alleged
    Pvt. Jessica Lynch
    had fired multiple clips of ammunition at the
    attacking Iraqis before
    she was injured and taken prisoner, The Washington
    Post has now
    published a more detailed account. The newspaper
    described how she was
    seriously injured when the Humvee vehicle in which she
    was riding
    crashed at high speed into an overturned Army
    tractor-trailer. Then, the
    team of three Post reporters noted:

    "Lynch tried to fire her weapon, but it jammed,
    according to military
    officials familiar with the Army investigation. She
    did not kill any
    Iraqis. She was neither shot nor stabbed, they said."

    As the Pentagon proceeds with its official "after
    action reports" and
    "lessons learned" effort from Operation Iraqi Freedom,
    troubling
    information has begun to emerge from numerous sources
    that jammed
    weapons were a serious problem in Iraq. Worse, it
    appears that this
    happened because many American troops were equipped
    with a lubricant to
    clean their rifles and side arms that was ineffective
    in the harsh
    desert environment.

    It wasn't just Pvt. Lynch in the 507th Maintenance Co.
    who fell victim
    to a jammed weapon. An earlier report in The
    Washington Post on Apr. 14,
    2003, contained the first detailed accounts of the
    ambush from the
    just-rescued POWs:

    "The bullets and explosions came from all sides. Some
    of the vehicles
    flipped over. Other drivers hit the gas hoping to
    outrun the danger, but
    ran into even heavier fire. In the swirling dust,
    soldiers' rifles
    jammed. Pfc. Patrick Miller, 23, from suburban
    Wichita, began shoving
    rounds into his rifle one at a time, firing single
    shots at enemies
    swarming all around. ... Finally, it fell to Sgt.
    James Riley, a
    31-year-old bachelor from Pennsauken, N.J., and the
    senior soldier
    present, to surrender. 'We were like Custer,' he
    recalled today, still
    sounding shocked. 'We were surrounded. We had no
    working weapons. We
    couldn't even make a bayonet charge ‚ we would have
    been mowed down.'"

    The probable cause of this widespread weapons failure
    has been blamed on
    a government-issued lubricant known as "CLP" that has
    been provided to
    many ‚ but not all ‚ U.S. Army soldiers. A number of
    Army veterans and
    contractors have denounced CLP as totally ineffective
    in preventing sand
    and dust buildup in weapons in Iraq.

    "The CLP and Breakfree brand oil the military
    purchases is worthless,"
    said Aaron Johnson, a 10-year veteran of the Army and
    Army Reserve, and
    author of a Defense Watch guest column on the Army M9
    sidearm ("How to
    Save the M9 Beretta," June 16, 2003). "I'm sure large
    amounts are
    acquired [by the Army] at relatively low cost, but
    that's why it should
    be done away with. That oil is too rich, and has
    little effectiveness at
    keeping weapons clean." "The troops will tell you, CLP
    attracts dirt and
    grit." Johnson continued. "It is also so thick it can
    reduce recoil
    speed, resulting in stoppages. It thickens in the
    cold, and when in hot
    weather areas it is usually attracting dust and sand."

    In an e-mail forwarded to Defense Watch, retired Lt.
    Col. Robert
    Kovacic, who works for a defense contractor in Kuwait
    that trains U.S.
    military units, echoed Johnson's remarks. "I can say
    with complete
    assuredness, from many, many observations [of training
    exercises], that
    CLP does not work. I did not use it ... at Fort Polk
    (cause it did not
    prevent rust, I don't care what the government says),
    and it sure as
    hell does not work here."

    What is bewildering to veterans such as these is that
    there is a product
    that has proven effective in desert combat. MILITEC-1
    Synthetic Metal
    Conditioner, manufactured by the company of the same
    name, has been
    approved for Army use and is already widely used by
    the U.S. Coast
    Guard, FBI and a host of other federal police
    agencies. But the Army
    apparently is still shipping CLP en masse to the
    troops and has resisted
    ordering the synthetic lubricant, forcing unit
    commanders to pay out of
    their own pockets to acquire it.
     
  2. H-BAR

    H-BAR Well-Known Member

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    S1 I have used the lubes and have had zero problems. I can't believe that someone is told to clean a rifle with this stuff!!! A cleaner it is not!!! If it was applied properly they probably wouldn't have had problems. Everyone thinks that more is better. Any liquid type lube will attract dirt. This is a known fact and the more liquid the more dirt it can hold. that is why their weapons when they used this stuff should have been coated then wiped off. leaving only miniscule traces of the lube. If this was done they wouldn't have had any trouble. There are better lubes than Break Free. I use a product called Super Lube. It is a product that was originally put out by Permatex. It is now available in a spray can again and found in automotive shops. I just clean the stuff off and apply the lube and then wipe it off again. Ready to shoot. Ideally in the gulf they should have used a dry lubricant. Remember that the a lot of people in the military do not grow up around guns and have no idea what is proper and improper as to cleaning and lubricating their weapons. I was happy to hear from some guys that do cleaning and lubricating supplies that they are working on the government agencies about the same problems that are mentioned. Personally I would have tied a piece of rag to the carry handle over the ejection that would still let the brass go out and keep the dirt from blowing in. A buddy of mine said he used a seperate cleaner and then oiled with Break Free. If they were instructed to clean weapons with Break Free then someone dropped the ball BIGTIME!!!!
     

  3. clg9mm

    clg9mm Active Member

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    CLP is standard issue. At least is was when I was in. The stuff is crap. Militec and fp-10 are better choices. The military like the rest of the government doesn't change until it cost too many lives.
     
  4. H-BAR

    H-BAR Well-Known Member

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    That is because there are probably people getting kickbacks for buying the products that they buy!!! I actually got the Superlube to try on my archery stuff. It worked very well. Then because of some of the claims on the product I decided to use it on my Colt. I have used it from -5 degrees to 98 degrees and have had no problems. Hey when you were in did they tell you to use the CLP liberally? Now that I got the Superlube back I am using the Breakfree on my bicycle.
     
  5. jcpython357

    jcpython357 Well-Known Member

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    I've got some Militec, the stuff works great, can't remember what the hell happened to that Breakfree I had. [​IMG] Jay
     
  6. H-BAR

    H-BAR Well-Known Member

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    Hey Jay look next to the bike!!! That's where mine is. I just got a new product to try out. Superlube is making a dry film lube that they claim doesn't attract dirt. It is teflon based and in a spray form like their other product I use. I also use their grease on the lugs to my bolt on my bench gun.
     
  7. mbigley

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  8. Guest

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    H-Bar and S1, I have some stuff that I will send you to try for free if you give me your adress Its called luboil. It sprays out in a foam and then dries, some pretty good stuff in my book I use it to put on my rifles when I put them up for the year and is still there when I go back to them. But f you want some I will send it to you guys just say the word.Got some real good penatrating oil to.
     
  9. H-BAR

    H-BAR Well-Known Member

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    Leupold that is a really nice gesture. Where do you normally buy this stuff? Here is my Email klhntr@frontiernet.net