LRH in South Africa

[brucon]

Hi Guys

I am a South African Boertjie (farm-boy) currently residing in the Eastern Cape, South Africa.
We own a family farm in the Free State province of 6200 acres with amongst others: Eland, Kudu, Zebra, Warthog, Baboons. www.koranna.co.za

With our weak currency and your new export laws, it is near impossible to buy quality gear locally or to import them. I therefor have a proposition:

I will trade the hunt of a Kudu Bull, Eland Bull, Zebra, 3 warthogs and a baboon or two for a top tier optic (Nightforce ATACR, Vortex Razor HD, etc). All you need to do is get here in SA, I will pick you up and provide you with food, accommodation, transport, etc. I can guarantee at least 1 mile hunts but I cannot guarantee trophy sized (Rowland Ward/ SSI) animals. Our farm is not a commercial hunting farm, its for our own pleasure, hence the animals are plentiful and in great shape. I will post some pics of the animals taken by me this year (4 eland, 3 blue wildebeest, 15 warthog, 1 zebra, 2 deer, 1 kudu bull) if allowed on this forum.
I would also be interested in 2nd hand optics but will have to renegotiate the trade.

If you are interested, please email me at [email protected]

 

[Rich Coyle]

brucon,

I sure wish you success in your venture.

 

[brucon]

brucon,

I sure wish you success in your venture.

Thx, Does it sound reasonable, or would the air fare make the deal absolute, in your opinion?

 

[MAGA]

Stay safe. It's dangerous in South Africa.
Literally more dangerous to be a white farmer in South Africa than a soldier in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined.

 

[Rich Coyle]

It sounds like a great value to me.

 

[THEIS]

It sounds like a great value to me.

Hello,
It sounds illegal (Depending on exactly what scope model/features) to me AND to the US Department of State.
Category 1, subsection F of the USML Part 121
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf

THEIS

 

[shaughn]

AECA and ITAR you do not want to run afoul of either of them.

https://www.state.gov/strategictrade/overview/

I had went thru the process to get the permits to import/export, previous to a lot of the changes/reinterpretation of the regulations , primarily for my own use (made things a lot easier when shipping ammo to various hunts around the world) and small group buys and believe me, I kept a lawyer who specialised in this field on retainer, because the wording of the regulations, can and does leave a lot of room for interpretation by various government entities.

What can really bite you is the dual use provision...

So I agree with THEIS.

Note: I no longer do import export or provide help in setting up such activities, so please don't ask. Thanks!

https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/embargoed_countries/

 

[WildRose]

Hi Guys

I am a South African Boertjie (farm-boy) currently residing in the Eastern Cape, South Africa.
We own a family farm in the Free State province of 6200 acres with amongst others: Eland, Kudu, Zebra, Warthog, Baboons. www.koranna.co.za

With our weak currency and your new export laws, it is near impossible to buy quality gear locally or to import them. I therefor have a proposition:

I will trade the hunt of a Kudu Bull, Eland Bull, Zebra, 3 warthogs and a baboon or two for a top tier optic (Nightforce ATACR, Vortex Razor HD, etc). All you need to do is get here in SA, I will pick you up and provide you with food, accommodation, transport, etc. I can guarantee at least 1 mile hunts but I cannot guarantee trophy sized (Rowland Ward/ SSI) animals. Our farm is not a commercial hunting farm, its for our own pleasure, hence the animals are plentiful and in great shape. I will post some pics of the animals taken by me this year (4 eland, 3 blue wildebeest, 15 warthog, 1 zebra, 2 deer, 1 kudu bull) if allowed on this forum.
I would also be interested in 2nd hand optics but will have to renegotiate the trade.

If you are interested, please email me at [email protected]

Bruwer, shoot me a PM.

You should also contact Francois at [email protected]

He runs Classic Arms in Witbank. I have some stuff to send him soon.

 

[brucon]

Stay safe. It's dangerous in South Africa.
Literally more dangerous to be a white farmer in South Africa than a soldier in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined.

Have first hand experience of that!!

 

[brucon]

AECA and ITAR you do not want to run afoul of either of them.

https://www.state.gov/strategictrade/overview/

I had went thru the process to get the permits to import/export, previous to a lot of the changes/reinterpretation of the regulations , primarily for my own use (made things a lot easier when shipping ammo to various hunts around the world) and small group buys and believe me, I kept a lawyer who specialised in this field on retainer, because the wording of the regulations, can and does leave a lot of room for interpretation by various government entities.

What can really bite you is the dual use provision...

So I agree with THEIS.

Note: I no longer do import export or provide help in setting up such activities, so please don't ask. Thanks!

https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/embargoed_countries/

HI There
Thank you for the reply.
You guys might have misunderstood me. I do not need any help or have anyone send me a scope. The idea is to travel with your kit to SA, come and hunt with me and then leave the scope behind. In exchange for the eland, kudu, zebra, etc. food and accommodation. There is no law against that.
In any case, if I did have the money to buy a top end scope in the US, I have a friend in Nevada who could easily send me it as a gift. There are restrictions on that, I know, but again that is totally legal. You would get flagged though if it becomes a regular thing.

In any case I do appreciate your input and response.
Regards
Brucon

 

[brucon]

Bruwer, shoot me a PM.

You should also contact Francois at [email protected]

He runs Classic Arms in Witbank. I have some stuff to send him soon.

Hi Wildrose

I know Andrew the owner of Classic Arms well, have bought a a few rifles from him in the past. We will be in contact.
Thanks

 

[THEIS]

Hello,

WRONG!!
IF that person leaving the scope was from the US they and you would indeed be breaking International arms trafficking laws! If your friend from the US sends you one as a "gift" it is also breaking International arms trafficking laws!

I am retired from US Department of States DDTC division and run an international business development and consulting company that ONLY takes on and deals with ITAR products and manufacturers.

I am not "assuming" or "thinking" it is against ITAR laws...I know 100% it is...IF it is someone from the US. (As stated previously..depending on scope model/features...as there are some scopes that are not ITAR controlled but that are only US Department of Commerce EAR99 controlled)

Edited to add:
IF the person coming to you was from the US...they would be bringing their rifle and scope over on a reviewed and approved DSP73 which is a temporary export permit. In which ALL equipment listed on it is indeed required to be brought back. When US Customs checked and it was not then the below pic would be next.

THEIS

 

[WildRose]

Have first hand experience of that!!

Growing up in The Free State I have no doubt.

 

[WildRose]

Hi Wildrose

I know Andrew the owner of Classic Arms well, have bought a a few rifles from him in the past. We will be in contact.
Thanks

Andrew is a good guy for sure. When I was there 2 years ago I spent a few days helping out in the store.

If you're familiar at all with Francois dogs, all of his US imports came from me.