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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 855390" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p>Yes, pictures of the entry wounds on the skinned animal would help allow each reader to draw their own conclusions. I'd also like to know the weight of the recovered lead fragments of bullets. The piece in the photo looks to be maybe 50-70 grains? </p><p></p><p>250gr isn't particularly a light for caliber .338 bullet. 200-300gr bullets seem to cover the commonly produced weights. I remember when 250 and 275gr lead core expanding bullets were the heavy weight offerings. But no disagreements with your recommendations to use the heavyweights with a frangible lead jacketed bullet on the largest of game animals - if one chooses to use a highly frangible bullet. As you have stated, the extra lead and the lower impact velocity will both help ensure a deeper wound channel.</p><p></p><p>I've shot moose with this flavor of bullet in the distant past - the Sierra 250 grain spitzer boat tail bullets loaded in .338 Win Mag. These may have been called Game Kings? I've found these lead cores completely separated from the jacket on more than one animal, but the lead core maintained a significant percentage of its original weight and often penetrated the full width of the moose, to be found just under the hide on the far side ribs. MV was around 2700 fps. Dunno about the lead composition or jacket thickness of this Sierra bullet compared to the current Bergers. In those days, these Sierras were about the heaviest bullet - with a reasonably high BC - available in .338 caliber, to my knowledge. Hornady made some 225gr Spire points. Speer made a 275gr round nose bullet. Nosler offered 250gr round nose Partitions. Winchester 250 gr round nose Silvertips. There were some 300 grain round nose solids. I think Barnes might have offered a 300 grain round nose lead core jacketed bullet, but these weren't commonly available where I shopped for bullets. I'm talking days before the development and production of the Barnes monolithics or any of the bonded core bullets - going back quite few years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 855390, member: 4191"] Yes, pictures of the entry wounds on the skinned animal would help allow each reader to draw their own conclusions. I'd also like to know the weight of the recovered lead fragments of bullets. The piece in the photo looks to be maybe 50-70 grains? 250gr isn't particularly a light for caliber .338 bullet. 200-300gr bullets seem to cover the commonly produced weights. I remember when 250 and 275gr lead core expanding bullets were the heavy weight offerings. But no disagreements with your recommendations to use the heavyweights with a frangible lead jacketed bullet on the largest of game animals - if one chooses to use a highly frangible bullet. As you have stated, the extra lead and the lower impact velocity will both help ensure a deeper wound channel. I've shot moose with this flavor of bullet in the distant past - the Sierra 250 grain spitzer boat tail bullets loaded in .338 Win Mag. These may have been called Game Kings? I've found these lead cores completely separated from the jacket on more than one animal, but the lead core maintained a significant percentage of its original weight and often penetrated the full width of the moose, to be found just under the hide on the far side ribs. MV was around 2700 fps. Dunno about the lead composition or jacket thickness of this Sierra bullet compared to the current Bergers. In those days, these Sierras were about the heaviest bullet - with a reasonably high BC - available in .338 caliber, to my knowledge. Hornady made some 225gr Spire points. Speer made a 275gr round nose bullet. Nosler offered 250gr round nose Partitions. Winchester 250 gr round nose Silvertips. There were some 300 grain round nose solids. I think Barnes might have offered a 300 grain round nose lead core jacketed bullet, but these weren't commonly available where I shopped for bullets. I'm talking days before the development and production of the Barnes monolithics or any of the bonded core bullets - going back quite few years. [/QUOTE]
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