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<blockquote data-quote="CONatureBoy" data-source="post: 2216802" data-attributes="member: 118769"><p>MagnumManiac, as for your comment, "There is no hard and fast rule about whether a bullet is accurate close to the rifling or far away, those statements made by people that bullets are more accurate close to the rifling know very little," here's what Tony Boyer said on the subject:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]279067[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>This is from <a href="https://precisionshooting.com/psm_2009_08_frame-html/" target="_blank">https://precisionshooting.com/psm_2009_08_frame-html/</a>, an interview with Tony and Faye Boyer, both members of the U.S. Benchrest Hall of Fame. Tony wrote <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Book-Rifle-Accuracy-Tony-Boyer/dp/0982678800" target="_blank"><em>The Book of Rifle Accuracy</em></a>. In this part of the interview, Tony's point is that he evaluates a barrel's inherent accuracy by shooting at most 30 rounds loaded very close to or at the lands, depending on how the rifle's bore was cut. If the gun doesn't perform, he blames the <em>barrel</em> (and doesn't use it in competition). He does not try to tune the length of the cartridge. </p><p></p><p>I don't know who you are, MagnumManiac, but I know who Tony Boyer is. From the same article: "Tony is the best benchrest shooter of all time, and his record of 122 HOF points (and counting) may never be equaled. Not only did he win the Super Shoot for the fifth time, he received the Precision Shooting 'Shooter of the Year' award for an unprecedented eleventh time." How do you come by your opinions about rifle accuracy? </p><p></p><p>Ballistics is a scientific subject. We can use empirical methods and mathematical analysis to understand it. Software like QuickLOAD and the external-ballistics calculator on the Berger Bullets web site (or built into a Kestrel) uses mathematical models to estimate with remarkable accuracy how chambers, bullets, powders, weather conditions, etc. interact to determine a bullet's flight. The patterns are not always simple to discern or describe mathematically, but they exist and are discoverable by those adequately trained in the scientific method and its mathematical tools. Some of the patterns <em>are</em> simple, as Tony's comments above about loading close to the lands suggests. </p><p></p><p>Language attacking someone who politely expresses an opinion is "argumentum ad hominem," the logical fallacy of attacking the speaker. It has no place in scientific, rational, or civil discourse. I encourage you to set aside such knee-jerk responses and give honest questions respectful and scientifically well-reasoned answers. It's the civil thing to do. You might even (heaven forbid) learn something or make a friend in the process.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CONatureBoy, post: 2216802, member: 118769"] MagnumManiac, as for your comment, "There is no hard and fast rule about whether a bullet is accurate close to the rifling or far away, those statements made by people that bullets are more accurate close to the rifling know very little," here's what Tony Boyer said on the subject: [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623394597380.png"]279067[/ATTACH] This is from [URL]https://precisionshooting.com/psm_2009_08_frame-html/[/URL], an interview with Tony and Faye Boyer, both members of the U.S. Benchrest Hall of Fame. Tony wrote [URL='https://www.amazon.com/Book-Rifle-Accuracy-Tony-Boyer/dp/0982678800'][I]The Book of Rifle Accuracy[/I][/URL]. In this part of the interview, Tony's point is that he evaluates a barrel's inherent accuracy by shooting at most 30 rounds loaded very close to or at the lands, depending on how the rifle's bore was cut. If the gun doesn't perform, he blames the [I]barrel[/I] (and doesn't use it in competition). He does not try to tune the length of the cartridge. I don't know who you are, MagnumManiac, but I know who Tony Boyer is. From the same article: "Tony is the best benchrest shooter of all time, and his record of 122 HOF points (and counting) may never be equaled. Not only did he win the Super Shoot for the fifth time, he received the Precision Shooting 'Shooter of the Year' award for an unprecedented eleventh time." How do you come by your opinions about rifle accuracy? Ballistics is a scientific subject. We can use empirical methods and mathematical analysis to understand it. Software like QuickLOAD and the external-ballistics calculator on the Berger Bullets web site (or built into a Kestrel) uses mathematical models to estimate with remarkable accuracy how chambers, bullets, powders, weather conditions, etc. interact to determine a bullet's flight. The patterns are not always simple to discern or describe mathematically, but they exist and are discoverable by those adequately trained in the scientific method and its mathematical tools. Some of the patterns [I]are[/I] simple, as Tony's comments above about loading close to the lands suggests. Language attacking someone who politely expresses an opinion is "argumentum ad hominem," the logical fallacy of attacking the speaker. It has no place in scientific, rational, or civil discourse. I encourage you to set aside such knee-jerk responses and give honest questions respectful and scientifically well-reasoned answers. It's the civil thing to do. You might even (heaven forbid) learn something or make a friend in the process. [/QUOTE]
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