Leica Or Zeiss

Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by ShortMag3, May 2, 2009.

  1. ShortMag3

    ShortMag3 Well-Known Member

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    I am considering a step up in spotting scopes, Gr8tful Doug has the best prices I can find for the Leica 62mm and Zeiss 65mm. Any opinions between the two would be aprreciated.

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  2. A/C Guy

    A/C Guy Well-Known Member

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    I compared them at Bass Pro Shops. Then I bought the Swarovski. The Leica was the darkest, Zeiss had the most glare, and the Swarovski was just better.

    I compared by looking in dark shadows and crevices to see which gathered the best light. Then I looked in the bright sunny areas to see how they dealt with glare.

    The Swarovski won in each category.
     

  3. NJS

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    No offence intended, but making statements about optical performance by looking at optics in a sporting goods store is not the correct method... See if you can talk them outside right at dusk... then evaluate them. That is not always possible, but is a much better judge of performance. NJS
     
  4. A/C Guy

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    Looking in dark shadows 75 yards away and looking into the desert during the day is the best way to test the extremes. I've been a high end glass user for 23 years. I own high end Leica photography equipment, Swarovski binos, spotting scope, rifle scopes, and Zeiss rifle scopes. For light gathering and no glare, I haven't seen anything that compares to the Swarovski. That does not mean there isn't any, I just haven't found it yet. I am not partial to any brand, I compare performance.
    For color rendering, Leica is best. That is why bird watchers and photographers chose Leica.
    Zeiss is very bright, but often too bright with glare.
    Ideally, we would be able to borrow all three scopes to compare, but the retailers won't let us. So set them up in the store and start looking into the darkest corners in the ceiling, you will see differences in the scopes. My first Swarovski purchase in 1985 was a 1.5 to 6 x 42 w 30mm tube. The salesman and I went outside and I looked through the darkened doorways of other businesses to compare the light gathering of the scopes. I could see details on the walls in the shadows through Swarovski where the other scopes just showed black shadows. You don't need to take them out to the forest to compare.
     
  5. Gene

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    I have an old Leica 77 Televid 20-60X bought used years ago for spotting 6mm holes at 600 yds. Couple months ago, I bought a Zeiss Diascope 85 20-60X. I honestly cannot tell a bit of difference between them. If conditions are ideal, bullet holes at that distance can be clearly observed. In poor conditions (mirage, glare, etc.) no scopes perform well. Another factor is condition of your eyes. Macular degeneration will reduce your ability to discern details at extreme distances.
     
  6. Trshooter

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    Hi,

    go with a swarovski or a Kowa (top of top but heavier) I get one.

    Terry
     
  7. Gene

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  8. NJS

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    My dealer told me that the new Leica 82MM he saw at SHOT SHow was FANTASTIC. Can't wait to check one out! NJS
     
  9. Gene

    Gene Well-Known Member

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    For about $3,200 it should be more than fantastic!!
     
  10. Pigeon

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    That matches with my experience!

    but if I had to choose between Leica and Zeiss, definetlyy the Leica! (ever had a service at Zeiss? -> never again!)
     
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    436 Well-Known Member

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    Might be a little late but heres my 0.02 I have the Leica 77 APO Televid 20-60X i've never look for another after them. The APO (Fluorite Glass) model is there best over all.
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  12. Gene

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    If you are shooting distances beyond 500 yards, the real question is: Will my spotting scope define 6mm or larger bullet holes on paper under most conditions, i.e., hard mirage & bright sunlight? The answer cannot be determined by looking thru a scope in the store, nor by judging how bright the image seems to be. Only real conditions can provide the answer. Many high end scopes will not always pick up bullet holes at those distances. And much of the equation depends on the condition of your eyes. Now, spotters used for hunting are another matter, and the criteria for those is considerably less.
     
  13. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    Maybe some are experienced enough or good enough to identify the better glass/optics in a store.

    I need to compare them in the field before I can have any confidence in selecting the better optics for my uses, which by the way are also in the field.
     
  14. NJS

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    Hey Gene,

    Yes, the Leica is pricy... maybe it comes with your choice of blonde or brunette? <wink> NJS