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<blockquote data-quote="buffalorancher" data-source="post: 163872" data-attributes="member: 5771"><p>This debate can go on and on and unfortunately I belive people will become more vocal in their displeasure with this type of hunting. Kirby is right when he stated you can make a hunt out of it with a less capable weapon or by choosing a larger ranch. We have had some horrible guaranteed shot hunts and it is almost always somebody trying to make a hunt out of it by using a bow instead of a rifle. Make sure you are capable of the hunt that you choose to make. Buffalobob mentioned time constraints being a factor in his decision to hunt an enclosure. I find that with my clients, money is a distant second to time available.</p><p></p><p>I didn't start this thread to have an ethics debate but it's kind of gotten there. I wanted people to consider property owners and livestock owners and their rights to do with these things what they want. The animals on the typical high fence property were born and raised to be hunted and killed. They live a very good life and are generally killed swiftly and humanely just as they were intended to be. They are the property of the landowner or some other private individual who has the right to do what they want with them. Is this unethical? No, we are on top of the food chain and animals are there to serve us either as food or service or companions. It doesn't matter if the animal is some 400+ elk or a one horned exotic sheep.</p><p></p><p>Look at the steak you ate last night. If that calf was born in my neighborhood he hit the ground in March, maybe was pulled out, got a tag and shot, and was left to live in belly deep mud and snow. A couple months later after being caught and doctored a time or two he gets chased into a little pen by a bunch of cowboys. While way too many people stand around and watch, these cowboys drag him out with a rope around his back legs to get two or three shots and some crazy letters burned on his ***. Oh, and I forgot about his nuts getting cut off. Then life is good for a while if he doesn't get sick. After summer is over the cowboys come again and chase him into a pen and seperate him from his mother. He gets two or three shots and is let out to pace the fence bawling for a week. Once things get straightened out he gets put in a pen to live the winter with a bunch of his buddies in the mud and ****. He will get driven or put on a trailer after booster shots and taken to grass in the spring if he hasn't been sold. Now he probably gets rounded up for the July sale in town. He is put on a trailer and taken to town to be tagged and sorted at the sale barn along with 10,000 other calves and yearlings. The pen riders push him into the ring and back out then he gets loaded on a truck to go to the feedlot. I think most people have a pretty good idea of what life at a feedlot is like. Muddy, hot/cold, and either too wet or too dry, and visits to the hospital pen can all be part of the feedlot life. Then the pen rider comes and loads him on a truck to go and get killed. </p><p></p><p>As people tend to give animals humanlike characteristics ask yourself if you would rather be a beef steer in Nebraska or some high fence game animal unethically killed while munching on a bush in Texas?</p><p></p><p>The beef scenario is accurate as it is a life I'm involved with almost daily. The cowboys do everything in their power to keep the animals healthy as their livelyhood depends on it and they are usually very good at it. Do you find their handling of the animal unethical? </p><p></p><p>When high fence hunting goes, one of the common arguments is that most hunters don't agree with it. First its high fence stuff then it's the old mans place you hunted since you were a kid because he leased it out. We continually lose access to hunting opportunities so how could any hunter object to the way someone else chooses to hunt as long as it's legal.</p><p></p><p>A friend and neighbor told me the other day that his ranch is private property so mind your own business, he'll do what he pleases and it's not up to anybody else to judge him. </p><p></p><p>Lance</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buffalorancher, post: 163872, member: 5771"] This debate can go on and on and unfortunately I belive people will become more vocal in their displeasure with this type of hunting. Kirby is right when he stated you can make a hunt out of it with a less capable weapon or by choosing a larger ranch. We have had some horrible guaranteed shot hunts and it is almost always somebody trying to make a hunt out of it by using a bow instead of a rifle. Make sure you are capable of the hunt that you choose to make. Buffalobob mentioned time constraints being a factor in his decision to hunt an enclosure. I find that with my clients, money is a distant second to time available. I didn't start this thread to have an ethics debate but it's kind of gotten there. I wanted people to consider property owners and livestock owners and their rights to do with these things what they want. The animals on the typical high fence property were born and raised to be hunted and killed. They live a very good life and are generally killed swiftly and humanely just as they were intended to be. They are the property of the landowner or some other private individual who has the right to do what they want with them. Is this unethical? No, we are on top of the food chain and animals are there to serve us either as food or service or companions. It doesn't matter if the animal is some 400+ elk or a one horned exotic sheep. Look at the steak you ate last night. If that calf was born in my neighborhood he hit the ground in March, maybe was pulled out, got a tag and shot, and was left to live in belly deep mud and snow. A couple months later after being caught and doctored a time or two he gets chased into a little pen by a bunch of cowboys. While way too many people stand around and watch, these cowboys drag him out with a rope around his back legs to get two or three shots and some crazy letters burned on his ***. Oh, and I forgot about his nuts getting cut off. Then life is good for a while if he doesn't get sick. After summer is over the cowboys come again and chase him into a pen and seperate him from his mother. He gets two or three shots and is let out to pace the fence bawling for a week. Once things get straightened out he gets put in a pen to live the winter with a bunch of his buddies in the mud and ****. He will get driven or put on a trailer after booster shots and taken to grass in the spring if he hasn't been sold. Now he probably gets rounded up for the July sale in town. He is put on a trailer and taken to town to be tagged and sorted at the sale barn along with 10,000 other calves and yearlings. The pen riders push him into the ring and back out then he gets loaded on a truck to go to the feedlot. I think most people have a pretty good idea of what life at a feedlot is like. Muddy, hot/cold, and either too wet or too dry, and visits to the hospital pen can all be part of the feedlot life. Then the pen rider comes and loads him on a truck to go and get killed. As people tend to give animals humanlike characteristics ask yourself if you would rather be a beef steer in Nebraska or some high fence game animal unethically killed while munching on a bush in Texas? The beef scenario is accurate as it is a life I'm involved with almost daily. The cowboys do everything in their power to keep the animals healthy as their livelyhood depends on it and they are usually very good at it. Do you find their handling of the animal unethical? When high fence hunting goes, one of the common arguments is that most hunters don't agree with it. First its high fence stuff then it's the old mans place you hunted since you were a kid because he leased it out. We continually lose access to hunting opportunities so how could any hunter object to the way someone else chooses to hunt as long as it's legal. A friend and neighbor told me the other day that his ranch is private property so mind your own business, he'll do what he pleases and it's not up to anybody else to judge him. Lance [/QUOTE]
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