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<blockquote data-quote="Buffalobob" data-source="post: 208796" data-attributes="member: 8"><p>Acklyfan gave you good advice. JohnnyK gave you relevant data I simply do not understand why some people run their mouth about stuff they don't know anything about. Advising a person to use this bullet on elk is unbelievably bad advice. </p><p></p><p>I was shooting a 7mm Wby in the 1970s using IMR4350, Rem 9 1/2Ms and the Hornady 162HPBT match bullet which actually has a BC of 0.625. I ran nearly 20% more powder in the case and the primers would flow into the starting lip of the pocket.</p><p></p><p>In 1979 I ran a number of penetration tests in newspaper comparing the 162 HPBT to the 168 Sierra MK and the 160 Nosler partition. It was the first time in my life I had performed penetration tests and I recorded the results but had little knowledge of their real meaning. I learned their true meaning after having shot two animals.</p><p></p><p>The first animal I shot was a spike elk at 1100 yards. The bullet landed on his shoulder blade and did not break it. It simply made a little puff of dust on his shoulder blade and I watched as he trotted across 300 yards of clearing. We tracked him the next morning and the bullet simply never made it into his chest cavity and he never died. This was not even a big spike elk but just a little one and the bullet would not break the shoulder blade nor go through it.</p><p></p><p>Two weeks later I set up with my friend to kill a mule deer at long range but they appeared right under our ledge at 50 yards. We each fired at a buck and I hit a 3X3 right in the shoulder blade and the bullet created a watermelon sized crater on the shoulder blade but did not get into the chest cavity and the deer got up and ran off. After a half a mile of tracking my friend spotted it and killed it on the run with his 7 Rem mag and a 140 gr Speer BT.</p><p></p><p>My experience with this particular bullet is just the same as your Dad's. It is extremely explosive and has no ability to penetrate and break bones. It is remarkably accurate and that lures you into shooting it. Most likely your Dad backed the load down low to get a reduced speed at which the bullet did not explode on the hide. You are probably in the 2700 fps range of velocity. I was running about 3100 to 3200 fps. Get a better bullet. And I believe I already told you once not to be contradicting your Dad because he has a lot of good sense. What have you gotten him for fathers day?</p><p></p><p>Go with something like the 180 Berger which has good sectional density.</p><p></p><p>Take the 50 bullet left and offer them for sale. The Pa longrange whitetail hunters like them because they work well on a little chihuahua sized whitetails we hunt which have fragile bones.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buffalobob, post: 208796, member: 8"] Acklyfan gave you good advice. JohnnyK gave you relevant data I simply do not understand why some people run their mouth about stuff they don't know anything about. Advising a person to use this bullet on elk is unbelievably bad advice. I was shooting a 7mm Wby in the 1970s using IMR4350, Rem 9 1/2Ms and the Hornady 162HPBT match bullet which actually has a BC of 0.625. I ran nearly 20% more powder in the case and the primers would flow into the starting lip of the pocket. In 1979 I ran a number of penetration tests in newspaper comparing the 162 HPBT to the 168 Sierra MK and the 160 Nosler partition. It was the first time in my life I had performed penetration tests and I recorded the results but had little knowledge of their real meaning. I learned their true meaning after having shot two animals. The first animal I shot was a spike elk at 1100 yards. The bullet landed on his shoulder blade and did not break it. It simply made a little puff of dust on his shoulder blade and I watched as he trotted across 300 yards of clearing. We tracked him the next morning and the bullet simply never made it into his chest cavity and he never died. This was not even a big spike elk but just a little one and the bullet would not break the shoulder blade nor go through it. Two weeks later I set up with my friend to kill a mule deer at long range but they appeared right under our ledge at 50 yards. We each fired at a buck and I hit a 3X3 right in the shoulder blade and the bullet created a watermelon sized crater on the shoulder blade but did not get into the chest cavity and the deer got up and ran off. After a half a mile of tracking my friend spotted it and killed it on the run with his 7 Rem mag and a 140 gr Speer BT. My experience with this particular bullet is just the same as your Dad's. It is extremely explosive and has no ability to penetrate and break bones. It is remarkably accurate and that lures you into shooting it. Most likely your Dad backed the load down low to get a reduced speed at which the bullet did not explode on the hide. You are probably in the 2700 fps range of velocity. I was running about 3100 to 3200 fps. Get a better bullet. And I believe I already told you once not to be contradicting your Dad because he has a lot of good sense. What have you gotten him for fathers day? Go with something like the 180 Berger which has good sectional density. Take the 50 bullet left and offer them for sale. The Pa longrange whitetail hunters like them because they work well on a little chihuahua sized whitetails we hunt which have fragile bones. [/QUOTE]
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