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<blockquote data-quote="pyroducksx3" data-source="post: 493656" data-attributes="member: 20443"><p>It was apples to apples in that the 300 win mag is capable of using heavier bullets. So I compared the two at their true potential, not at the same bullet weight. In the same weight the 7 will have better BC's that is a fact. The 300 can use heavier bullets and there by deliver more energy. The seven is possibly in fact flatter shooting but to say that the 6.5 and 7 Rem mag are pefectly adequete at 1000 yards for elk is borderline irresponsible! I know the videos show that they kill elk at that distance and Im not saying a 7 mag or 6.5-284 wont kill an elk at 1000. I am saying there are much better choices to do so. John burns says, I believe, that he feels that the 7 rem mag is the largest caliber that most people can shoot comfortably <span style="color: black"><strong>without a muzzlebreak. </strong>You seem to make comparisions to the 1000 yard mark by referencing F class shooters and Benchrest paper punchers. But we aren't just talking about which one gets to 1000 yards with the least recoil and best ballistics. We are talking about killing an elk at 1000 yards and this is very different then just holes in paper. We just have differences of opinion you think because it "can" work its fine, I hope every animal you shoot at 800 yards plus dies cleanly and that you never lose an animal. But well thats not good enough for me, I believe we owe it to the animals we hunt to be sure that we are using enough gun to cleanly harvest them everytime. So we aren't going to agree at all on this issue. If punching paper is the goal then I give you the 7 rem mag or 6.5's may be better. And to be honest if I wanted to hunt elk at over 800 I would build a 338 RUM, lapua or edge. And just to put all the cards on the table I hunt with a 7 rem mag. I had a tikka t3 lite in 300 wsm but it just wasnt fun to shoot. I have a rem 700 in an hs stock that is much more comfortable to shoot, so all your points are not lost on me they are why I switched to the 7. I think we just disagree on the potential of what the round is consistantely capable of. I think on elk in the bullets I prefer 650 is about it. The 300 win mag with a muzzlebreak will be comfortable to shoot and throwing 200+ grains bullets will be more effective and appropriate for elk. I hope this clears things up so team pete can have his thread back and we can help him choose the scope thats best for him. </span></p><p> </p><p>On that note teampete. I think the vortex pst would only be a better choice than the viper if you wanted an illuminated reticle, FFP, and zero stop ability for your turrets but I havent used a pst and this is only speculation or my opinion. What is your overall budget for this anyway? I ask this becasue you will still need to get reloading dies, brass, bullets, powder, possibly a pack?, bipod, sling. So 600$ for a rifle, 200$ +- for bases and rings, ??? $ for scope. Also with the mil or ballistic reticle questions you had, a scope with a reticle in the second focal plane, the value that the mils or hashes have , change with the power level the scope is set on. Maybe you knew that but you would be surprised how many people dont understand that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pyroducksx3, post: 493656, member: 20443"] It was apples to apples in that the 300 win mag is capable of using heavier bullets. So I compared the two at their true potential, not at the same bullet weight. In the same weight the 7 will have better BC's that is a fact. The 300 can use heavier bullets and there by deliver more energy. The seven is possibly in fact flatter shooting but to say that the 6.5 and 7 Rem mag are pefectly adequete at 1000 yards for elk is borderline irresponsible! I know the videos show that they kill elk at that distance and Im not saying a 7 mag or 6.5-284 wont kill an elk at 1000. I am saying there are much better choices to do so. John burns says, I believe, that he feels that the 7 rem mag is the largest caliber that most people can shoot comfortably [COLOR=black][B]without a muzzlebreak. [/B]You seem to make comparisions to the 1000 yard mark by referencing F class shooters and Benchrest paper punchers. But we aren't just talking about which one gets to 1000 yards with the least recoil and best ballistics. We are talking about killing an elk at 1000 yards and this is very different then just holes in paper. We just have differences of opinion you think because it "can" work its fine, I hope every animal you shoot at 800 yards plus dies cleanly and that you never lose an animal. But well thats not good enough for me, I believe we owe it to the animals we hunt to be sure that we are using enough gun to cleanly harvest them everytime. So we aren't going to agree at all on this issue. If punching paper is the goal then I give you the 7 rem mag or 6.5's may be better. And to be honest if I wanted to hunt elk at over 800 I would build a 338 RUM, lapua or edge. And just to put all the cards on the table I hunt with a 7 rem mag. I had a tikka t3 lite in 300 wsm but it just wasnt fun to shoot. I have a rem 700 in an hs stock that is much more comfortable to shoot, so all your points are not lost on me they are why I switched to the 7. I think we just disagree on the potential of what the round is consistantely capable of. I think on elk in the bullets I prefer 650 is about it. The 300 win mag with a muzzlebreak will be comfortable to shoot and throwing 200+ grains bullets will be more effective and appropriate for elk. I hope this clears things up so team pete can have his thread back and we can help him choose the scope thats best for him. [/COLOR] On that note teampete. I think the vortex pst would only be a better choice than the viper if you wanted an illuminated reticle, FFP, and zero stop ability for your turrets but I havent used a pst and this is only speculation or my opinion. What is your overall budget for this anyway? I ask this becasue you will still need to get reloading dies, brass, bullets, powder, possibly a pack?, bipod, sling. So 600$ for a rifle, 200$ +- for bases and rings, ??? $ for scope. Also with the mil or ballistic reticle questions you had, a scope with a reticle in the second focal plane, the value that the mils or hashes have , change with the power level the scope is set on. Maybe you knew that but you would be surprised how many people dont understand that. [/QUOTE]
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