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<blockquote data-quote="pyroducksx3" data-source="post: 493555" data-attributes="member: 20443"><p>Well I agree with you that the 7 offers better ballistics with less recoil but comparing apples to apples 7mm 180 vld at 2940 to .30 210 vld at 2950, the 7 does have better ballistics but the 300 still has better energy even if it is just 100 ft lbs. But like I said Im not convinced that berger is the best all around hunting bullet. So if you comapre reliable all around hunting bullets the 300 walks away with it. For this comparision I'll use the accubond and info taken from noslers website. For the 7 Rem mag using the 160 accubond at 3000 fps </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">yards velocity energy wind(in) path</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">600 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">2013.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1440.2 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">23.5 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-62.4 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">650 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1941.0 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1338.3 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">28.1 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-78.5</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">700 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1870.2 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1242.3 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">33.2 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-96.8</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">750 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1801.0 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1152.1 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">38.8 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-117.7</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">800 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1733.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1067.8 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">44.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-141.2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">850 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1668.2 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">988.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">51.7 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-167.6</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">900 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1604.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">914.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">59.0 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-197.2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">950 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1543.7 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">846.5 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">67.0 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-230.1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1000 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1484.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">783.3 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">75.7 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-266.7</span></p><p> </p><p>The 300 Win mag using 200 gr accubonds at 2900 fps </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">yards velocity energy wind (in) path </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">600 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">2018.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1809.2 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">21.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-64.8</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">650 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1952.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1693.3 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">26.1 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-81.2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">700 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1888.5 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1583.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">30.8 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-99.9</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">750 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1825.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1479.8 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">35.9 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-121.1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">800 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1764.1 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1381.8 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">41.5 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-144.8</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">850 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1704.1 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1289.4 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">47.7 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-171.4</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">900 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1645.8 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1202.7 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">54.3 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-200.9</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">950 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1589.2 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1121.4 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">61.6 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-233.7</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1000 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1534.4 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">1045.4 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">69.4 </span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">-269.8</span></p><p> </p><p>The 300 has over 200 more ft lbs energy, less wind deflection, and only 3 more inches of drop. So I will say this using the bergers they are very close probably not much difference, edge maybe going to the 300 but using all around proven "hunting" bullets the 300 has a clear advantage</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pyroducksx3, post: 493555, member: 20443"] Well I agree with you that the 7 offers better ballistics with less recoil but comparing apples to apples 7mm 180 vld at 2940 to .30 210 vld at 2950, the 7 does have better ballistics but the 300 still has better energy even if it is just 100 ft lbs. But like I said Im not convinced that berger is the best all around hunting bullet. So if you comapre reliable all around hunting bullets the 300 walks away with it. For this comparision I'll use the accubond and info taken from noslers website. For the 7 Rem mag using the 160 accubond at 3000 fps [FONT=Trebuchet MS]yards velocity energy wind(in) path[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]600 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]2013.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1440.2 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]23.5 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-62.4 [/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]650 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1941.0 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1338.3 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]28.1 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-78.5[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]700 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1870.2 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1242.3 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]33.2 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-96.8[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]750 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1801.0 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1152.1 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]38.8 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-117.7[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]800 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1733.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1067.8 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]44.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-141.2[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]850 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1668.2 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]988.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]51.7 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-167.6[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]900 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1604.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]914.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]59.0 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-197.2[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]950 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1543.7 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]846.5 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]67.0 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-230.1[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]1000 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1484.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]783.3 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]75.7 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-266.7[/FONT] The 300 Win mag using 200 gr accubonds at 2900 fps [FONT=Trebuchet MS]yards velocity energy wind (in) path [/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]600 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]2018.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1809.2 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]21.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-64.8[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]650 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1952.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1693.3 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]26.1 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-81.2[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]700 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1888.5 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1583.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]30.8 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-99.9[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]750 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1825.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1479.8 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]35.9 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-121.1[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]800 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1764.1 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1381.8 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]41.5 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-144.8[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]850 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1704.1 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1289.4 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]47.7 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-171.4[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]900 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1645.8 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1202.7 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]54.3 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-200.9[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]950 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1589.2 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1121.4 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]61.6 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-233.7[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS]1000 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1534.4 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]1045.4 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]69.4 [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS]-269.8[/FONT] The 300 has over 200 more ft lbs energy, less wind deflection, and only 3 more inches of drop. So I will say this using the bergers they are very close probably not much difference, edge maybe going to the 300 but using all around proven "hunting" bullets the 300 has a clear advantage [/QUOTE]
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