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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by lefty15, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. lefty15

    lefty15 Well-Known Member

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    I was at the range the other day working on a load for my son's .243 win. The one five shot group shot within a 1" square, but what concerned me was the first shot was at the bottom left, and last last shot was in the top right in almost a perfect diagnal line with each shot creeping from the bottom left to the top right. The load was 44 gr of reloader 17 with 85 gr Barnes TSX bullets.
    What would be the cause of this, and is this a possible problem with the load or gun?
     
  2. boomtube

    boomtube Well-Known Member

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    A 'walking' group is often due to barrel heating.
     

  3. lefty15

    lefty15 Well-Known Member

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    Thx for the info. It was warmer than I like to shoot at but the hunting season is getting closer for us, and I need the load done. The gun that I am shooting is a Savage youth model in a .243 win, whcih is certainly not an expensive gun. The barrel was warm, but not smokin hot, and I did allow a bit of time for the barrel to cool.
    Would you suggest that I go back to the range and shoot the same powder combinations, and allow a few minutes between rounds to see how this affect the group?
     
  4. Mikecr

    Mikecr Well-Known Member

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    If this is cold bore load development, I'd suggest a couple hours between shots.
    I mean the idea behind hunting is to hit what your aiming at with a single shot(won't take 5 to kill it).
     
  5. Gene

    Gene Well-Known Member

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    First, check the action screws, scope mount and the ring screws for tightness. Do not overtighten them. Is the scope of good quality? Next, slide a dollar bill between the barrel and stock. Any binding? If so, I bet that is your problem. Rasp out the high spots until they do not touch. You can wrap sandpaper around an old flashlight battery to do this. Clean the bore thoroughly.

    How is your bench set up? Are you using solid front and rear rests? The barrel should never touch a sand bag. Hold the rifle the same every shot. Same technique each shot. Five shots should not overheat any barrel. For load testing, I often fire 10 shots in ten minutes before allowing my barrel to cool somewhat. But remember that first shot from a cold barrel is the one you need to hit dead on.
     
  6. Outlaw6.0

    Outlaw6.0 Well-Known Member

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    +1 Gene

    I totally agree here, don't bother wasting time/money traveling back & forth the range until you know for sure the barrel is properly floated & the action, base & ring screws are properly secured (torqued if you have the tools).

    Call it cheap insurance:D
     
  7. lefty15

    lefty15 Well-Known Member

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    I just had a new scope put on the gun on Friday a Bushnell Elite 3200 5 x 15 x 40. I did check the float with a dollar bill more than once, and the float is good. I will check the action screws to see if they are tight, and then go back to the range to see what happens.
     
  8. Outlaw6.0

    Outlaw6.0 Well-Known Member

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    You ddn't specify so I'll go out on a limb & assume:D the bbl is floated all the way to receiver. On the action screws, "tight" is a relative term, the going standard is "no more than 40in/lb" & has never done me wrong. Hope it helps!
     
  9. lefty15

    lefty15 Well-Known Member

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    I always welcome any advise/tips, because there are many on this site that know way more than I ever will.
    Thanks to all for the help.