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Group size at what range?
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 430153" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Mikecr,</p><p> </p><p>Wow, Usually can follow your comments but that post was out there.</p><p> </p><p>You attack my comment that group moa size will decrease as range increases and then at the end of your post you say most of your groups will decrease in moa size as you increase range........ WTH!!</p><p> </p><p>Your right, I have no idea how to adjust my optics to elimiate paralax. Thanks for the heads up on that one!!! WOW!!</p><p> </p><p>Also, I did not say it does not occur with lighter bullets in slow twist barrels but that it is instead easier to see and more dramatic in heavy for caliber, high BC bullets shot at high velocity in fast twist barrels. Again, you say its not possible but then say it happens to you all the time..... Plus, if your getting a 50 gr bullet at 3600 fps in a 223 Remington, you need to tone things back a bit my friend!!!, your about 200 fps over where you should be at most.</p><p> </p><p>Yes groups do generally open up to some degree as the range increases but they certainly do not increase in size in porportion to the range they are being shot at. For example, a 1" group at 100 yards does not equate to a 4" group at 400 yards or an 8" group at 800 yards.</p><p> </p><p>Sometimes the groups increase in size, even when measured in MOA but in a top quality rifle, this increase in size is generally caused by environmental conditions we are not judging accurately or us as shooters imposing our ill effects on the rifle. Which brings us back to my original point.</p><p> </p><p>"UNTIL THE RIFLE IN QUESTION IS FIRED FROM A SOLID SHOOTING POSITION WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ACCURACY POTENTIAL OF THE RIFLE OR THE LOAD IS, SHOOTING FROM A SITTING POSITION WILL NOT GIVE EVEN THE FAINTEST IDEA WHAT THE RIFLE AND LOAD REALLY CAN DO AS FAR AS GROUP SIZE."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 430153, member: 10"] Mikecr, Wow, Usually can follow your comments but that post was out there. You attack my comment that group moa size will decrease as range increases and then at the end of your post you say most of your groups will decrease in moa size as you increase range........ WTH!! Your right, I have no idea how to adjust my optics to elimiate paralax. Thanks for the heads up on that one!!! WOW!! Also, I did not say it does not occur with lighter bullets in slow twist barrels but that it is instead easier to see and more dramatic in heavy for caliber, high BC bullets shot at high velocity in fast twist barrels. Again, you say its not possible but then say it happens to you all the time..... Plus, if your getting a 50 gr bullet at 3600 fps in a 223 Remington, you need to tone things back a bit my friend!!!, your about 200 fps over where you should be at most. Yes groups do generally open up to some degree as the range increases but they certainly do not increase in size in porportion to the range they are being shot at. For example, a 1" group at 100 yards does not equate to a 4" group at 400 yards or an 8" group at 800 yards. Sometimes the groups increase in size, even when measured in MOA but in a top quality rifle, this increase in size is generally caused by environmental conditions we are not judging accurately or us as shooters imposing our ill effects on the rifle. Which brings us back to my original point. "UNTIL THE RIFLE IN QUESTION IS FIRED FROM A SOLID SHOOTING POSITION WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ACCURACY POTENTIAL OF THE RIFLE OR THE LOAD IS, SHOOTING FROM A SITTING POSITION WILL NOT GIVE EVEN THE FAINTEST IDEA WHAT THE RIFLE AND LOAD REALLY CAN DO AS FAR AS GROUP SIZE." [/QUOTE]
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