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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 584335" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>"Muzzle brakes SUCK"</p><p> </p><p>Why exactly is that?????</p><p> </p><p>A quality muzzle brake will do as much if not more to improve most long range shooters and hunters then any other single aspect of a rifle given its a quality rifle. </p><p> </p><p>- No recoil distraction</p><p> </p><p>- No loss of field of view</p><p> </p><p>- Shooter being able to spot impact is a HUGE confidence booster</p><p> </p><p>You take two rifles of the same set up, barring a 20 lb class rifle, lets say a 10 lb rifle made for all around long range hunting, one with a muzzle brake, one without and 90% of the time any given shooter will shoot the braked rifle more consistantly then the unbraked rifle, yes, even with a 7mm WSM.</p><p> </p><p>Now many say they are to loud for hunting...... BUNK. This is LONG RANGE HUNTING.com, you have PLENTY of time to put on some quality hearing protection and with the huge selection of electronic hearing protection on the market, this is an excuss from decades past.</p><p> </p><p>I have NEVER had any problem getting a 300 RUM to shoot right there with any 7mm WSM. Perhaps you would see the benefit of trying a quality muzzle brake and you would likely see that you can shoot the big magnums just as well as the smaller chamberings. That is nearly always the case in my experience with new shooters trying large magnums.</p><p> </p><p>Hell, I make alot of 300 RUMs for ladies that have no problem at all putting first shot impact within 1/4 moa of point of aim out to 1/2 mile once they get an accurate drop chart figured up for their rifles. In my opinion, use as much power as you can accurately shoot at long range. When everything goes right, the smaller chamberings can do amazing work, but when things do not go quite right, thats when the big guns can get you out of trouble more often then the smaller guns..</p><p> </p><p>Case in point, this years pronghorn season. I set up on a good buck at 823 yards. Wind at my location was nearly calm but I knew that where the herd of pronghorns were at, there was at least a 6-8 mph crosswind. I dialed for that estimate and took the shot on a buck standing broadside.</p><p> </p><p>The shot landed just under the spine and just ahead of the rear ham, a poor shot by every discription. HOWEVER, the buck fell to the shot and was dead by the time I had gotten to him without hitting a single bone, WHY???</p><p> </p><p>Well, I was using my 7mm Allen Magnum loaded with the 160 gr Accubond at nearly 3500 fps. When I walked up to the buck I found that at around 200 yards down range, what I thought was a 6-8 mph wind was actually a 15-17 mph wind whipping over the ridgeline...... Had I been shooting a lesser 7mm such as the WSM a couple things would have happened.</p><p> </p><p>1. The error in windage hold would have likely put the shot right through the ham. Had the pelvis been shattered the buck would have dropped to the shot as well but would not have died. IF only one leg had been broken, I would have easily lost that buck.</p><p> </p><p>2. Even with the same shot placement, it is likely that the WSM would not have not produced the energy dump required to kill the buck quickly. The 7mm AM broke the spine without even hitting it. It also hit with enough force that it split the paunch, liver and diaphram without toughing any of them. It also severel bruised the back of both lungs. Something the much smaller 7mm WSM would have never done. In fact, with that shot placement, It would be likely that I would have never recovered that buck because of very minimal damage done on that impact location.</p><p> </p><p>I do not think about the results of using a specific chambering when everything goes RIGHT. I think about what happens when a shot lands on the fringes of the vital zone. This is where the big magnums SHINE and the smaller chamberings really drop off in effective game harvesting. And honestly, many more shots impact on the fringes then dead center on the vitals.</p><p> </p><p>Again, it also comes back to what you consider long range hunting distances. A short 4-5 years ago, when you talked about long range hunting on this site, it generally ment 1/2 mile range or more. Not 400-500 yard shots are referred to as long range shots. In some situations certainly but in good conditions, this range is really moderate range hunting.</p><p> </p><p>For true long range hunting, especially on heavier game, there is no comparision between a 7mm WSM and a 300 RUM, especially when both are loaded with bullets that will perform extremely well terminally. A 300 RUM loaded with a 200 gr Accubond at 3200-3250 fps is flat out amazing terminally at any range out to 1000 yards.</p><p> </p><p>Yes you could come up with numerous examples of better ballistics in the 7mm that would at least match this combo but if you used a bullet with the same terminal performance as the Accubond, the 7mm will fall well short when fired from a small case like the WSM. This is not opinion, its a proven fact. Again, put the bullet in the right place and results are amazing, even on big game like elk at very long ranges, put the same bullet on the fringes of a heavy big game animal and you will have a much harder time recovering your animal compared to the same shot with a larger caliber chambering.</p><p> </p><p>Shot placement is key. To make good shot placement, you have to know the external conditions. IF you can not nail the conditions on the nose, the most potent ballistically performing chambering will get cover more of that margin of error then a lesser chambering. Terminally, the heavier, larger diameter, faster bullet will nearly always produce better results when shots are not exactly perfect.</p><p> </p><p>Now if you blow a leg off or punch a shot right through the guts, what your shooting makes little difference but even in those cases, I would rather have more gun then needed then shoot a smaller chambering anyday.</p><p> </p><p>Just my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 584335, member: 10"] "Muzzle brakes SUCK" Why exactly is that????? A quality muzzle brake will do as much if not more to improve most long range shooters and hunters then any other single aspect of a rifle given its a quality rifle. - No recoil distraction - No loss of field of view - Shooter being able to spot impact is a HUGE confidence booster You take two rifles of the same set up, barring a 20 lb class rifle, lets say a 10 lb rifle made for all around long range hunting, one with a muzzle brake, one without and 90% of the time any given shooter will shoot the braked rifle more consistantly then the unbraked rifle, yes, even with a 7mm WSM. Now many say they are to loud for hunting...... BUNK. This is LONG RANGE HUNTING.com, you have PLENTY of time to put on some quality hearing protection and with the huge selection of electronic hearing protection on the market, this is an excuss from decades past. I have NEVER had any problem getting a 300 RUM to shoot right there with any 7mm WSM. Perhaps you would see the benefit of trying a quality muzzle brake and you would likely see that you can shoot the big magnums just as well as the smaller chamberings. That is nearly always the case in my experience with new shooters trying large magnums. Hell, I make alot of 300 RUMs for ladies that have no problem at all putting first shot impact within 1/4 moa of point of aim out to 1/2 mile once they get an accurate drop chart figured up for their rifles. In my opinion, use as much power as you can accurately shoot at long range. When everything goes right, the smaller chamberings can do amazing work, but when things do not go quite right, thats when the big guns can get you out of trouble more often then the smaller guns.. Case in point, this years pronghorn season. I set up on a good buck at 823 yards. Wind at my location was nearly calm but I knew that where the herd of pronghorns were at, there was at least a 6-8 mph crosswind. I dialed for that estimate and took the shot on a buck standing broadside. The shot landed just under the spine and just ahead of the rear ham, a poor shot by every discription. HOWEVER, the buck fell to the shot and was dead by the time I had gotten to him without hitting a single bone, WHY??? Well, I was using my 7mm Allen Magnum loaded with the 160 gr Accubond at nearly 3500 fps. When I walked up to the buck I found that at around 200 yards down range, what I thought was a 6-8 mph wind was actually a 15-17 mph wind whipping over the ridgeline...... Had I been shooting a lesser 7mm such as the WSM a couple things would have happened. 1. The error in windage hold would have likely put the shot right through the ham. Had the pelvis been shattered the buck would have dropped to the shot as well but would not have died. IF only one leg had been broken, I would have easily lost that buck. 2. Even with the same shot placement, it is likely that the WSM would not have not produced the energy dump required to kill the buck quickly. The 7mm AM broke the spine without even hitting it. It also hit with enough force that it split the paunch, liver and diaphram without toughing any of them. It also severel bruised the back of both lungs. Something the much smaller 7mm WSM would have never done. In fact, with that shot placement, It would be likely that I would have never recovered that buck because of very minimal damage done on that impact location. I do not think about the results of using a specific chambering when everything goes RIGHT. I think about what happens when a shot lands on the fringes of the vital zone. This is where the big magnums SHINE and the smaller chamberings really drop off in effective game harvesting. And honestly, many more shots impact on the fringes then dead center on the vitals. Again, it also comes back to what you consider long range hunting distances. A short 4-5 years ago, when you talked about long range hunting on this site, it generally ment 1/2 mile range or more. Not 400-500 yard shots are referred to as long range shots. In some situations certainly but in good conditions, this range is really moderate range hunting. For true long range hunting, especially on heavier game, there is no comparision between a 7mm WSM and a 300 RUM, especially when both are loaded with bullets that will perform extremely well terminally. A 300 RUM loaded with a 200 gr Accubond at 3200-3250 fps is flat out amazing terminally at any range out to 1000 yards. Yes you could come up with numerous examples of better ballistics in the 7mm that would at least match this combo but if you used a bullet with the same terminal performance as the Accubond, the 7mm will fall well short when fired from a small case like the WSM. This is not opinion, its a proven fact. Again, put the bullet in the right place and results are amazing, even on big game like elk at very long ranges, put the same bullet on the fringes of a heavy big game animal and you will have a much harder time recovering your animal compared to the same shot with a larger caliber chambering. Shot placement is key. To make good shot placement, you have to know the external conditions. IF you can not nail the conditions on the nose, the most potent ballistically performing chambering will get cover more of that margin of error then a lesser chambering. Terminally, the heavier, larger diameter, faster bullet will nearly always produce better results when shots are not exactly perfect. Now if you blow a leg off or punch a shot right through the guts, what your shooting makes little difference but even in those cases, I would rather have more gun then needed then shoot a smaller chambering anyday. Just my opinion. [/QUOTE]
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