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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2760815" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>I cannot agree with everybody, nor do I disagree. I have been deer hunting since 1968 but that was with a shotgun restricted to buckshot on a military reservation. Stuck with the shotgun for a couple of years. The first time I hunted deer with a rifle was 1970, I was shooting a Remington 600 in .243 shooting 100 gr soft points. I don't remember the manufacturer.The shot was at the far end of an 80 acre hay field, whatever that distance was, no range finders back then. I suppose if I wanted to I could takeout the quadrangle for the area and figure it out pretty closely. It was well over 100 yards, maybe getting close to 200?? The deer presented a side shot and I took the shot and the bullet hit just behind the shoulder. The deer dropped in place not moving a muscle. The 243 is not known for having a lot of energy but the fact that the deer dropped to a good heart/lung shot surprised me, my X father in law exclaimed something to the effect of, How did that happen with that little pea shooter elephant gun. After that season I traded up to one of the Winchester Model 70's that I still own. It is chambered in .308 and I used that rifle exclusively up until a few years ago when I started playing with a 270. 9 shots out of 10 when hit the deer dropped in place, heart and lung shot out and the 165 gr Nosler Partition found still inside of the animal. On those 1 times the deer did not drop they didn't move more that 10 yards and while the lungs were both a gooey mess the heart was still intact, thus pumping blood into useless lungs.</p><p> </p><p>The 308 loads were handloads, using IMR 4320 approximating the military Lake City Match. The muzzle velocity was somewhere around 2500 FPS and I have no clue what the energy was. The only thing that I know for sure is that if a round of adequate size, in this case 165 grains is placed into the kill zone destroying the heart and lungs, dissipating whatever energy was left inside the deer, the deer went down. </p><p></p><p>Personally I really don't care what your thoughts and/or arguments are, I am only reporting my experiences over the years. As Ripley says, "Believe it or Not."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2760815, member: 118816"] I cannot agree with everybody, nor do I disagree. I have been deer hunting since 1968 but that was with a shotgun restricted to buckshot on a military reservation. Stuck with the shotgun for a couple of years. The first time I hunted deer with a rifle was 1970, I was shooting a Remington 600 in .243 shooting 100 gr soft points. I don't remember the manufacturer.The shot was at the far end of an 80 acre hay field, whatever that distance was, no range finders back then. I suppose if I wanted to I could takeout the quadrangle for the area and figure it out pretty closely. It was well over 100 yards, maybe getting close to 200?? The deer presented a side shot and I took the shot and the bullet hit just behind the shoulder. The deer dropped in place not moving a muscle. The 243 is not known for having a lot of energy but the fact that the deer dropped to a good heart/lung shot surprised me, my X father in law exclaimed something to the effect of, How did that happen with that little pea shooter elephant gun. After that season I traded up to one of the Winchester Model 70's that I still own. It is chambered in .308 and I used that rifle exclusively up until a few years ago when I started playing with a 270. 9 shots out of 10 when hit the deer dropped in place, heart and lung shot out and the 165 gr Nosler Partition found still inside of the animal. On those 1 times the deer did not drop they didn't move more that 10 yards and while the lungs were both a gooey mess the heart was still intact, thus pumping blood into useless lungs. The 308 loads were handloads, using IMR 4320 approximating the military Lake City Match. The muzzle velocity was somewhere around 2500 FPS and I have no clue what the energy was. The only thing that I know for sure is that if a round of adequate size, in this case 165 grains is placed into the kill zone destroying the heart and lungs, dissipating whatever energy was left inside the deer, the deer went down. Personally I really don't care what your thoughts and/or arguments are, I am only reporting my experiences over the years. As Ripley says, "Believe it or Not." [/QUOTE]
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