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<blockquote data-quote="D.Camilleri" data-source="post: 456208" data-attributes="member: 2567"><p>Back in the late 70's when I bought my first 7mag, I thought I had a real hot rod. I was pushing 160 gr partitions at 3150 and was making some long clean kills. But I also recovered a fair amount of bullets and I had a fair amount of blacktail deer run a lot further than I liked. Then one year I had a cross canyon shot on a big black bear boar, the gun did its job as I watched the partition hit the bear in the shoulder and watched him bite at the hit. I watched him roll for two hundred yards. I went to recover the big boar and he was gone! No blood trail, nothing. The feeling of a lost trophy is discouraging. That year I knew of at least 3 other big bears shot with 7mm and lost. Later that year while hunting with my dad, we had a chance to take a very large black bear. I gave him the first shot with his 210 gr equipped M-70 338 win mag. The shot and the bear was slammed to the ground and we thought game over. The bear got up and ran like he wasn't touched with a broken shoulder. While on the run, I hit him in the hip with my 7mm, he stumbled and was off again. I placed a final shot through the boiler room right as he was getting ready to disappear into heavy brush and he was done. When we gutted him, I found that the 160 grain partition had not even touched the off side of the rib cage from a 200 yard shot. The only reason the 338 failed to keep the bear down was the straight on shot that broke the shoulder, deflected the bullet and the bullet followed the inside of the hide all the way back to the hind quarter. That year I bought my first 338 and haven't looked back. Now I shoot a 338 rum and I have witnessed more bang flops with this gun than anything else I have ever shot. That being said, I have also made a few less than perfect shots on elk at long ranges and I am convinced that with a lesser caliber, the animal would not have been recovered. Hit anywhere in the upper body with a quality bullet this gun is lethal on elk. I would love to say that every shot I have ever made is a perfect shot, but things happen and sometimes the shot isn't perfect, but I have watched the big 338 make elk so sick they couldn't move and yet I have seen similar shots with smaller calibers made and watched the elk disappear never to be found.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D.Camilleri, post: 456208, member: 2567"] Back in the late 70's when I bought my first 7mag, I thought I had a real hot rod. I was pushing 160 gr partitions at 3150 and was making some long clean kills. But I also recovered a fair amount of bullets and I had a fair amount of blacktail deer run a lot further than I liked. Then one year I had a cross canyon shot on a big black bear boar, the gun did its job as I watched the partition hit the bear in the shoulder and watched him bite at the hit. I watched him roll for two hundred yards. I went to recover the big boar and he was gone! No blood trail, nothing. The feeling of a lost trophy is discouraging. That year I knew of at least 3 other big bears shot with 7mm and lost. Later that year while hunting with my dad, we had a chance to take a very large black bear. I gave him the first shot with his 210 gr equipped M-70 338 win mag. The shot and the bear was slammed to the ground and we thought game over. The bear got up and ran like he wasn't touched with a broken shoulder. While on the run, I hit him in the hip with my 7mm, he stumbled and was off again. I placed a final shot through the boiler room right as he was getting ready to disappear into heavy brush and he was done. When we gutted him, I found that the 160 grain partition had not even touched the off side of the rib cage from a 200 yard shot. The only reason the 338 failed to keep the bear down was the straight on shot that broke the shoulder, deflected the bullet and the bullet followed the inside of the hide all the way back to the hind quarter. That year I bought my first 338 and haven't looked back. Now I shoot a 338 rum and I have witnessed more bang flops with this gun than anything else I have ever shot. That being said, I have also made a few less than perfect shots on elk at long ranges and I am convinced that with a lesser caliber, the animal would not have been recovered. Hit anywhere in the upper body with a quality bullet this gun is lethal on elk. I would love to say that every shot I have ever made is a perfect shot, but things happen and sometimes the shot isn't perfect, but I have watched the big 338 make elk so sick they couldn't move and yet I have seen similar shots with smaller calibers made and watched the elk disappear never to be found. [/QUOTE]
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