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Differences in reloading data?
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<blockquote data-quote="DontKickDontKill" data-source="post: 140617" data-attributes="member: 1867"><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p>... The hypocrisy I was talking about, was about how hot the factory loads are that I have shot recently. Because its usually the manufacturer listing mild loads, and then saying handloads can't get the velocity of factory loads.....There right because they have thrown caution to the wind and loaded them hot....</p><p></p><p>I guess its a reasonable assumption by the manufacturer because a rifle can take a lot as can virgin brass, But that rifle probably won't get a lot of stress on it, because anyone buying hot ammo by the box, probably won't shoot it enough to hurt the gun. Now the handloader on the other hand, may shoot thousands of rounds through the gun in a couple years, and over time it could lead to gun failure.....I guess. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you have some things confused. Ammunition manufacturers CANNOT throw caution to the wind (they have lawyers on their Board of Directors).</p><p></p><p>Life just does not work that way when you are a BIG business. Plus here is ol' SAAMI to catch your buns if you stray off the beaten path.</p><p></p><p>It is a very tightly controlled industry... they don't say, "Hay Charlie, lets toss a little extra powder in this lot and see what happens!".</p><p></p><p>And I have NEVER seen a company say that their ammo can't be matched (or beaten) by handloads.</p><p></p><p>As to "vapor loads" made with "software", compared loads published on a website... first, pressure can be taken by several methods, lead crusher, copper crusher, taped strain gauge. and inertial accelerometer... these do NOT interchange, so if company "A" uses Copper crusher, and company "B" uses inertial accelerometer, the numbers do NOT match... and what kind of pressure gauge does the computer use (hint, the computer has no pressure gauge)??</p><p></p><p>Where do you get this stuff??</p><p></p><p>. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>Where do I get this stuff.....its all in my head why. </p><p></p><p>Lets see the software doesn't have any type of guage but what it does have is velocity obtained with certain loads, and it usually takes a certain internal pressure to reach a velocity, and I think it uses fired case volume as part of the equation.</p><p></p><p>A factory just doesn't dump a little extra powder in.....</p><p></p><p>Lets see I have been reloading a long time, and I know what pressure signs look like. Whenever I see a primer ready to puncture, extractor marks, and a tight bolt lift, I know something is going on there. These were several different boxes of shells, used in different guns, and a couple of the boxes were from different lots. So it wasn't a mistake that they were that hot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DontKickDontKill, post: 140617, member: 1867"] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ... The hypocrisy I was talking about, was about how hot the factory loads are that I have shot recently. Because its usually the manufacturer listing mild loads, and then saying handloads can't get the velocity of factory loads.....There right because they have thrown caution to the wind and loaded them hot.... I guess its a reasonable assumption by the manufacturer because a rifle can take a lot as can virgin brass, But that rifle probably won't get a lot of stress on it, because anyone buying hot ammo by the box, probably won't shoot it enough to hurt the gun. Now the handloader on the other hand, may shoot thousands of rounds through the gun in a couple years, and over time it could lead to gun failure.....I guess. [/ QUOTE ] I think you have some things confused. Ammunition manufacturers CANNOT throw caution to the wind (they have lawyers on their Board of Directors). Life just does not work that way when you are a BIG business. Plus here is ol' SAAMI to catch your buns if you stray off the beaten path. It is a very tightly controlled industry... they don't say, "Hay Charlie, lets toss a little extra powder in this lot and see what happens!". And I have NEVER seen a company say that their ammo can't be matched (or beaten) by handloads. As to "vapor loads" made with "software", compared loads published on a website... first, pressure can be taken by several methods, lead crusher, copper crusher, taped strain gauge. and inertial accelerometer... these do NOT interchange, so if company "A" uses Copper crusher, and company "B" uses inertial accelerometer, the numbers do NOT match... and what kind of pressure gauge does the computer use (hint, the computer has no pressure gauge)?? Where do you get this stuff?? . [/ QUOTE ] Where do I get this stuff.....its all in my head why. Lets see the software doesn't have any type of guage but what it does have is velocity obtained with certain loads, and it usually takes a certain internal pressure to reach a velocity, and I think it uses fired case volume as part of the equation. A factory just doesn't dump a little extra powder in..... Lets see I have been reloading a long time, and I know what pressure signs look like. Whenever I see a primer ready to puncture, extractor marks, and a tight bolt lift, I know something is going on there. These were several different boxes of shells, used in different guns, and a couple of the boxes were from different lots. So it wasn't a mistake that they were that hot. [/QUOTE]
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