Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Articles
Latest reviews
Author list
Classifieds
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics
Deciding on a 7mm. 7mm rem mag/ 7mm wsm
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Wild Monkey" data-source="post: 1783235" data-attributes="member: 103097"><p><strong>1904</strong></p><p></p><p>The 11.2 X 72 <strong>SCHULER</strong> was <strong>introduced</strong> in 1904 and produced until WW2. It utilises the rebated rim design which will fit the bolt of the M88 8mm mauser case.</p><p></p><p><strong>1913</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Newton</strong> cartridges</p><p>It was loaded with 123 gr (8 g) with a muzzle velocity of 3,103 ft/s (946 m/s), and 2,632 ft⋅lbf (3,569 J) of energy. The . <strong>30 Newton</strong> was high-velocity, rimless centerfire cartridge <strong>introduced</strong> in 1913. It was based on a German caliber of the period, the 11.2x72 Schuler.</p><p><strong>1962</strong></p><p></p><p>The <strong>7mm Remington Magnum</strong> rifle cartridge was introduced as a commercially available round in 1962,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7mm_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-accurate-2" target="_blank">[2]</a> along with the new <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_700" target="_blank">Remington Model 700</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt-action_rifle" target="_blank">bolt-action rifle</a>. It is a member of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belted_magnum" target="_blank">belted magnum</a> family that is directly derived from the venerable <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.375_H%26H_Magnum" target="_blank">.375 H&H Magnum</a>.</p><p></p><p>58 Years later! So yea, next year will be another 58 Years! 116 Years later and we are still using the Belted Cartridge and we don't even need it anymore. I know I'm thick, but hey.</p><p></p><p>Edit;</p><p>I stumbled on a Conversation regarding Newton Cases the Speer company and it's lawsuit 1948-1950 from Weatherby for an order of over 250 thousand cases. Apparently they were using a new unproven "impact extrusion" process to make the cases. Invariably Since we now know Speer was making Newton Cases as late as 1950! and this could have attributed to the Extinction of Newton Cartridges. So it would seem the Belted Manufacturing Process was flawless and maybe... the Newton design was somehow Blacklisted due to an inferior unrefined "Extrusion" manufacturing method that ended in a Lawsuit with Weatherby. This might be the Key. It is very likely there was animosity between Speer and several of his Rivals and I think Ackley was using Speer Newton Brass to form Wildcats back in the day. Further details uncover Speer was importing 30 Newton Cases from Germany from a company by the name of DWM without Headstamps. It is at this time Speer was often sizing the 30 Newton up and down and some were used for more modern 7mm-30 Newton applications. Off topic, but historically significant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wild Monkey, post: 1783235, member: 103097"] [B]1904[/B] The 11.2 X 72 [B]SCHULER[/B] was [B]introduced[/B] in 1904 and produced until WW2. It utilises the rebated rim design which will fit the bolt of the M88 8mm mauser case. [B]1913[/B] [B]Newton[/B] cartridges It was loaded with 123 gr (8 g) with a muzzle velocity of 3,103 ft/s (946 m/s), and 2,632 ft⋅lbf (3,569 J) of energy. The . [B]30 Newton[/B] was high-velocity, rimless centerfire cartridge [B]introduced[/B] in 1913. It was based on a German caliber of the period, the 11.2x72 Schuler. [B]1962[/B] The [B]7mm Remington Magnum[/B] rifle cartridge was introduced as a commercially available round in 1962,[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7mm_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-accurate-2'][2][/URL] along with the new [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_700']Remington Model 700[/URL] [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt-action_rifle']bolt-action rifle[/URL]. It is a member of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belted_magnum']belted magnum[/URL] family that is directly derived from the venerable [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.375_H%26H_Magnum'].375 H&H Magnum[/URL]. 58 Years later! So yea, next year will be another 58 Years! 116 Years later and we are still using the Belted Cartridge and we don't even need it anymore. I know I'm thick, but hey. Edit; I stumbled on a Conversation regarding Newton Cases the Speer company and it's lawsuit 1948-1950 from Weatherby for an order of over 250 thousand cases. Apparently they were using a new unproven "impact extrusion" process to make the cases. Invariably Since we now know Speer was making Newton Cases as late as 1950! and this could have attributed to the Extinction of Newton Cartridges. So it would seem the Belted Manufacturing Process was flawless and maybe... the Newton design was somehow Blacklisted due to an inferior unrefined "Extrusion" manufacturing method that ended in a Lawsuit with Weatherby. This might be the Key. It is very likely there was animosity between Speer and several of his Rivals and I think Ackley was using Speer Newton Brass to form Wildcats back in the day. Further details uncover Speer was importing 30 Newton Cases from Germany from a company by the name of DWM without Headstamps. It is at this time Speer was often sizing the 30 Newton up and down and some were used for more modern 7mm-30 Newton applications. Off topic, but historically significant. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics
Deciding on a 7mm. 7mm rem mag/ 7mm wsm
Top