@ elkoholic.. I always see reviews on what these bullets do at long range, what do these bullets do at close range on big game???? I ve seen some people say there to soft of a bullet, blow up on the shoulder at close range kinda stuff. All the videos I seen from berger/ best of the west arealways at 600yrd plus ,never really showing anybody the in the field test at llets say 50yrds.. I'm sure they work,but some claim they would fail.