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Best of the West. Your longrange authority. Seriously?? (Rant)
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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 435730" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]Interesting thread. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[/FONT]</span><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span> <span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]I agree with the OP that the apples-to-oranges comparisons are taking advertising too far. This kind of thing drives me nuts too! Not that it makes it right but you see that everywhere in advertising anymore. Try buying a new truck based off the advertisements. I would never be able to decide what to buy because everyone is faster, more HP, better mileage, safer, than their competition! Don't even get me started on political ads. Very frustrating! I am not sure people realize this kind of thing is a big turn off for many and they loose sales because of it. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[/FONT]</span><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span> <span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]To be fair to BOTW, I have never heard them say that other options are worse or useless; I could have missed an episode or 2 though.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> My understanding in watching them isn't that their system is the most accurate but instead that it is accurate enough for hunting conditions and the fastest system to get on game quickly so a shot opportunity isn't missed. In their shows and especially on their website they do a very good job IMO of pushing the need for lots of practice at ranges you intend to shoot an animal. In their shooting tip section they probably have 20+ videos talking about their way to account for quartering wind drifts, angled shots, varying wind speeds, temperature changes, altitude changes, etc. Is their system the most accurate, no but "most accurate" isn't needed to put a bullet in the vitals of a deer or elk out to 700 yards or so, which is likely the average distance of most shots on their shows. The guys that do take longer shots are pretty dang good shots and are extremely familiar with what their gun will do. John Porter comes to mind here. If guys do their due diligence they will have a very good understanding of what the BOTW system is capable of and what it isn't. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[/FONT]</span><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span> <span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]I personally love the detailed research, aspect of this hobby and have really enjoyed looking at the various optical platforms capable of long range accuracy. From BDC turrets and reticles, to MOA and Mil reticles to dialing and PDA's, I have looked at all of them and there are positives to each system. I think one of the best aspects of the Greybull/BOTW shooting styles is being able to hold for windage and dial for elevation. Maybe it is the area I hunt and shoot but there is no such thing as stable winds and I hate trying to dial for windage. I can't keep up with the changing conditions fast enough. All the re-dialing trying to keep up with changing wind conditions gets old and to be honest pushes me to rush the shot so I can get it in before a wind change, never a good thing in shooting. With practice you can become very good at holding for wind, making adjustments as needed while looking through the scope when changing conditions are noticed. For me it is a more accurate way to shoot. Also, their yardage dials are very simple and I would guess fewer dialing mistakes are made with this kind of system than traditional dialing. And for those that used to hold over at distance beyond MPBR they can now have a reticle aim point which should make them more accurate.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[/FONT] </span> <span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]What really irks me about that show is that many times they have a new person shooting the gunwerks gun for the first time, at an animal. A knowledgeable John Porter type guy is there setting it all up, which I am okay with, but IMO it takes some time behind a rifle to get in tune with it so you know that the way you hold it or line up your eye with the reticle, etc is correct for the way it is sighted in. I don't like the message that sends to the general hunting masses. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[/FONT]</span><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span> <span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]While I think it is true that many newbie's are wounding animals because of their show I think it is also fair to say that if there was a show based on dialing distance and windage, using PDA's and ballistic software to find correct trajectories there would still be plenty of newbie's that wouldn't verify those trajectories in the field or take into account weather changes or powder sensitivity etc. and they would still end up wounding a bunch of animals. Not sure we can put all the blame on BOTW for the laziness and ignorance of some hunters.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px">[/FONT]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span> <span style="font-size: 15px">[FONT=&quot]Good thread![/FONT]</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 435730, member: 10832"] [SIZE=4][FONT="]Interesting thread. [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4] [/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT="]I agree with the OP that the apples-to-oranges comparisons are taking advertising too far. This kind of thing drives me nuts too! Not that it makes it right but you see that everywhere in advertising anymore. Try buying a new truck based off the advertisements. I would never be able to decide what to buy because everyone is faster, more HP, better mileage, safer, than their competition! Don’t even get me started on political ads. Very frustrating! I am not sure people realize this kind of thing is a big turn off for many and they loose sales because of it. [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4] [/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT="]To be fair to BOTW, I have never heard them say that other options are worse or useless; I could have missed an episode or 2 though.:D My understanding in watching them isn’t that their system is the most accurate but instead that it is accurate enough for hunting conditions and the fastest system to get on game quickly so a shot opportunity isn’t missed. In their shows and especially on their website they do a very good job IMO of pushing the need for lots of practice at ranges you intend to shoot an animal. In their shooting tip section they probably have 20+ videos talking about their way to account for quartering wind drifts, angled shots, varying wind speeds, temperature changes, altitude changes, etc. Is their system the most accurate, no but “most accurate” isn’t needed to put a bullet in the vitals of a deer or elk out to 700 yards or so, which is likely the average distance of most shots on their shows. The guys that do take longer shots are pretty dang good shots and are extremely familiar with what their gun will do. John Porter comes to mind here. If guys do their due diligence they will have a very good understanding of what the BOTW system is capable of and what it isn’t. [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4] [/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT="]I personally love the detailed research, aspect of this hobby and have really enjoyed looking at the various optical platforms capable of long range accuracy. From BDC turrets and reticles, to MOA and Mil reticles to dialing and PDA’s, I have looked at all of them and there are positives to each system. I think one of the best aspects of the Greybull/BOTW shooting styles is being able to hold for windage and dial for elevation. Maybe it is the area I hunt and shoot but there is no such thing as stable winds and I hate trying to dial for windage. I can’t keep up with the changing conditions fast enough. All the re-dialing trying to keep up with changing wind conditions gets old and to be honest pushes me to rush the shot so I can get it in before a wind change, never a good thing in shooting. With practice you can become very good at holding for wind, making adjustments as needed while looking through the scope when changing conditions are noticed. For me it is a more accurate way to shoot. Also, their yardage dials are very simple and I would guess fewer dialing mistakes are made with this kind of system than traditional dialing. And for those that used to hold over at distance beyond MPBR they can now have a reticle aim point which should make them more accurate. [/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT="]What really irks me about that show is that many times they have a new person shooting the gunwerks gun for the first time, at an animal. A knowledgeable John Porter type guy is there setting it all up, which I am okay with, but IMO it takes some time behind a rifle to get in tune with it so you know that the way you hold it or line up your eye with the reticle, etc is correct for the way it is sighted in. I don’t like the message that sends to the general hunting masses. [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=4] [/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT="]While I think it is true that many newbie’s are wounding animals because of their show I think it is also fair to say that if there was a show based on dialing distance and windage, using PDA’s and ballistic software to find correct trajectories there would still be plenty of newbie’s that wouldn’t verify those trajectories in the field or take into account weather changes or powder sensitivity etc. and they would still end up wounding a bunch of animals. Not sure we can put all the blame on BOTW for the laziness and ignorance of some hunters. [/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT="]Good thread![/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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