Best Long Range Target Rifle...?

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by Csteiner, Jan 4, 2008.

  1. Csteiner

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    Afternoon all, I have been wanting to get a good, reliable, factory target rifle for awhile now. I have experience with weapons but I am looking for advise and suggestions on the best out of the box rifle and some good, consistent factory ammo. I have been thinking about the .204 for light recoil, high velocity, and flatter trajectory but if anyone has a reason why this wouldn't be good I am more than open to sugestions. I am not big into hunting so this is primarily going to be a paper puncher unless a stray groundhog would happen its way into my crosshairs. I am looking for something that would reach out to 5-600 yards. I was looking at a T/C Encore single shot the other day but here a lot of good things about Remington and Savage. I have a Savage 12 in .223 that I like but must not have found the right ammo for it as it is not as accurate as I would like. Any suggestions or ideas are greatly appreciated!!!
     

  2. Timberbeast7

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    I have a .204 in a remmy LVSF that consistantly shoots 1/2" or a little better with the factory Hornady 32 gr. V-max. It doesn't like the 40 gr. bullets at all (to slow of twist I think), but thats OK, its built to shoot those little bullets. Don't know about 5-600 yards but I know it does really bad things to ground squirrels at 350 yards.
     

  3. specweldtom

    specweldtom Well-Known Member

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    Csteiner, welcome to the site.

    I don't trust any out of the box rifle to be accurate. Some are, most aren't. I would watch the for sale forum for rifles that are proven to be accurate. IMO, you get a known quantity from a member, usually at a good price.

    I would look for 7mm cal minimum for a 500-600yd rifle. Also my opinion. See my signature.

    Good luck, Tom
     
  4. britz

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    A 22 long rifle will reach 600 yards, it will just take a while and not be very accurate. Even the fastest 22 cal will be very seseptible to wind at 600 yards. You might look at something like 243 or bigger/ faster, something that can handle the heavier bullets for range. Remington, tikka, Savage, winchester all have potential with bedding and trigger jobs. I know Tikka garantee's 1 inch - 3 shot group with premium ammo out of the box. I have mine shooting around half that with handloads. There are lots of variables, more power equals more recoil. more speed equals shorter barrel life.

    I just noticed you specified factory ammo. You can ge lots of match grade ammo for 223 and 308.
     
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  5. BountyHunter

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    You have just described the Savage FTR in 308 with 30" barrel if you do not reload. you can get it for around $950 on Savage Shooters

    308 is great to 600 yards, quality reloads from Black Hills is available if you do not reload. Barrel with last 4000 rds plus.

    Here is the real benefit. You can buy a $8 set of barrel vise blocks and $30 Barrel wrench from SharpShooter Supply and change your own barrels.

    I just picked up a like new Shilen 26" heavy barrel already chambered and threaded in 6mm BR 1-8 twist for $225 and threaded it on by Savage model 12 BVSS this afternoon.

    IMO the 6mm BR is the cheapest and easiest target round for 600 yds and even out to 1k with an 1-8 twist barrel. Death on ground hogs with 87 Vmax also.

    The 308 and 6mm BR are both short action, so barrels will interchange on the savages.

    Learn to reload and go with a 6mm BR though.

    You will not regret it.

    If you want to go with the 6mm BR now, then look on www.6mmbr.com and savageshooters.com at their classifieds and you can always pick one up for $800-1400. Watch the twist though. you want either the 1-8, 1-9, or no more than 1-10.. The 1-8 would be my choice.

    BH
     
  6. Guy M

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    A second on the idea of buying a Savage for a factory-built target rifle. A strong second. Not only are they very owner-friendly, but they typically demonstrate excellent out-of-the-box accuracy. Only recently introduced, they've already made their mark on national level F-class competition.

    If I was starting over in precision rifle shooting - I'd likely grab a Savage.

    About cartridge choice: I don't know anyone using a .204 Ruger in competition, but I'm sure it's been done, somewhere by someone. First off - it's probably important to determine what kind of target shooting you want to do - then get the rifle to fit. A wide range of rifles can be used - earlier today we had a friendly little 600 yard practice/match. Several different rifles were used, from a little 6.5x47 on a Stiller action, to a .338 Lapua mag on a BAT action, with a couple of .308's between. Typically when I'm helping someone get started in precision rifle shooting, I recommend a .308 Win, for several reasons:

    1. Accurate ammo is easy to buy, and easy to load. No real tricks to this one.
    2. Barrel life is exceptional.
    3. Recoil is modest, yet it performs fine out to 1000 yards.
    4. Once the .308 barrel is toast, it's easy to swap to something else, should that strike your fancy.

    The .223 is another great cartridge to start with, for many of the same reasons.

    Regards, Guy
     
  7. Csteiner

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    Best Long Range Target Rifle..

    Thanks for the suggestions thus far. As mentioned in my initial question, I currently have a Savage Model 12VLP in .223. I love the rifle but was not getting very good groups out past 200yds. Doing more research on this site, I'm now wondering if I am just not using the right ammo??... What factory ammo and grain would anyone suggest?? I believe I have a 1:9 twist. I'm not really worried about a heavy bullet for hunting. I also have another thread about bedding the action. Is that something that is really worth the time? I figure it must be if it is being done but I'm curious as to what better performance I can expext by doing this and if a novice such as myself should attempt it..??? Thanks again and happy shooting!!
     
  8. tjonh2001

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    instead of getting a new rifle call one of the experianced savage gunsmiths on this site. have them work on your 223.have them
    install a new barrel and true your action. then they can bedd your action and adjust your trigger. then spend some time shooting. i had good luck shooting 75 or 80 grain berger vlds with a 1 in 8 twist. you will have about the same money as you were going to spend on a new rifle and you will get the accuracy that you want. give ssg a call they can help you with this hes good with savage...
    good luck
     
  9. mo

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    cz

    out of the box CZ 527. Shoots great, and cheaper than the remington. Has a nice set trigger too.
     
  10. Flybuster

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    Light bullets go faster but the Ballistic Coefficient (B.C.) is much lower on a light small short stubby bullet than a long skinny sleek bullet with a high B.C. The higher B.C on the heavier bullets provide less wind drift and even less drop at the longer ranges.

    Compare a 22 caliber 40 grain bullet BC(0.200) to a 40 grain .204 (0.275)the B.C is higher on the .204 bullets thats why its more effective and efficient compared to the 22 Caliber lighter bullets. But move up in weight on your 223 (you can since you have a 1-9) like a 68 grain match bullet B.C is 0.355. Or if your rifle can shoot the 75 grain A-max 0.435 (some 223's w/1-9 can't stabalize a 75 grain a-max).

    Those kind of B.C's are what you are looking for, If I didn't reload I would check out Black hills ammo (Midway stocks it) They offer a huge variety of match projectiles
     
  11. drags

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    Savage offers the 6mm br and 6.5x284 in their F-class and other target rifle, both cailbers can do what you want but the 6.5x284 would have shorter barrel life. I like the 6mm br for what you have described good barrel life,very accurate,good brass (lapua) and easy to load for.
    Drags
     
  12. Flybuster

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    :eek:Whaaat?? I haven't heard,seen that they have a 6br. Its not on their webpage, it was never announced they would be making one on 6br.com. Are you sure?
     
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    "Presently Savage has models for F-Class and NRA High Power, but what about the benchrest shooters? Offering a new model utilizing the new right-bolt/left port Target action, a 26-inch heavy barrel chambered in 6mm BR Norma, and a laminate stock with a wide-flat forend designed specifically for use with a front rest and rear bag would be ideal. The longer barrel would make it suitable for both short and long-range benchrest shooting, and it's only one SKU to add to the list." quote Jim Baker

    Ok, read it Drags. That's some great news for sure, I hope its a 1-8" barrel. Its a 26'' barrel good stuff. Excellent choice for anybody wanting economy, accuracy in a factory rifle for short or long range!

    P.S. sorry I doubted you Drags
     
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