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Berger Bullets vs TSX bullets
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<blockquote data-quote="bkstickbow" data-source="post: 245959" data-attributes="member: 13923"><p>Congratulation on your Elk, it's nice when the tracking job is limited to where you can see. </p><p>Like I said I have not personally used the Berger but have been throughly impressed with the devastating performance on long range shots that I saw on best of the west. I am happy to hear the bullet performs at shorter range also. </p><p>With the advent of slower burning powders the industry has told us (the consumer) that we need faster flatter shooting guns what they don't tell you is that if you are not shooting a premium/bonded bullet and your non premium bullet makes impact at a velocity that exceeds 2,200 fps you will loose 40% of you bullet weight upon impact. That means you only have 60% of your bullet weight to get to where it needs to go. One other post had it correct, their are penetrating bullets and expanding bullets. What he left out is a frangible bullet, This is what the VLD and the Ballistic Tip are. The VLD is suppose to penetrate two to three inches and then basically act like a grenade inside the animal, Ballistic Tips do this upon impact if the speed is up or at short ranges, but at distance react somewhat like the VLD that is why they are both considered a long range bullet.</p><p>Barnes Triple Shock is a penetrating bullet that needs soft tissue to open, not saying it won't open if it hit a shoulder but would open beyond the shoulder when it reaches the heart lung area. I have read several years ago that the Barnes X would open with as little as 700 ft lbs of energy, I don't think that has changed with the Triple Shock, this would indicate that it is a long range bullet. Most animals that I have shot have been deer and antelope with the exception of one elk I personally do not remember having to shoot anything (that I hit) twice. And the take them off their feet type of kills have always been the longer shots. </p><p>I referred to an article I read in my first post about slowing down the bullet, the kills on best of the west.com have been at extremely long range. They shoot a 140gr 6.5 Berger VLD with a mv of 3025 at animals up to and including elk at ranges out to 925 yards. This round takes these animals off their feet where they stand. That bullet is not smokin at that range. My point is slow everything down and let the bullet do the work not the gun. Heavy bullets slow speed equates to less meat damage and devastating performance and that is probably with any bullet premium or not. I have had such success with Barnes that I would be hard pressed to switch. That being said, if a switch were inevitable I would have to give the Berger VLD some serious consideration.</p><p>Don't leave it to chance read 1st John 5:13</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bkstickbow, post: 245959, member: 13923"] Congratulation on your Elk, it's nice when the tracking job is limited to where you can see. Like I said I have not personally used the Berger but have been throughly impressed with the devastating performance on long range shots that I saw on best of the west. I am happy to hear the bullet performs at shorter range also. With the advent of slower burning powders the industry has told us (the consumer) that we need faster flatter shooting guns what they don't tell you is that if you are not shooting a premium/bonded bullet and your non premium bullet makes impact at a velocity that exceeds 2,200 fps you will loose 40% of you bullet weight upon impact. That means you only have 60% of your bullet weight to get to where it needs to go. One other post had it correct, their are penetrating bullets and expanding bullets. What he left out is a frangible bullet, This is what the VLD and the Ballistic Tip are. The VLD is suppose to penetrate two to three inches and then basically act like a grenade inside the animal, Ballistic Tips do this upon impact if the speed is up or at short ranges, but at distance react somewhat like the VLD that is why they are both considered a long range bullet. Barnes Triple Shock is a penetrating bullet that needs soft tissue to open, not saying it won't open if it hit a shoulder but would open beyond the shoulder when it reaches the heart lung area. I have read several years ago that the Barnes X would open with as little as 700 ft lbs of energy, I don't think that has changed with the Triple Shock, this would indicate that it is a long range bullet. Most animals that I have shot have been deer and antelope with the exception of one elk I personally do not remember having to shoot anything (that I hit) twice. And the take them off their feet type of kills have always been the longer shots. I referred to an article I read in my first post about slowing down the bullet, the kills on best of the west.com have been at extremely long range. They shoot a 140gr 6.5 Berger VLD with a mv of 3025 at animals up to and including elk at ranges out to 925 yards. This round takes these animals off their feet where they stand. That bullet is not smokin at that range. My point is slow everything down and let the bullet do the work not the gun. Heavy bullets slow speed equates to less meat damage and devastating performance and that is probably with any bullet premium or not. I have had such success with Barnes that I would be hard pressed to switch. That being said, if a switch were inevitable I would have to give the Berger VLD some serious consideration. Don't leave it to chance read 1st John 5:13 [/QUOTE]
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