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<blockquote data-quote="westcliffe01" data-source="post: 937388" data-attributes="member: 35183"><p>I have 2 "practice rifles". The first is a Savage 10 PC 223. From the factory it was a 9.25 twist, but I now have a 1:8 twist varmint barrel on it so that I can shoot the 80gr Bergers and SMK's.</p><p></p><p>My second is a 308. It was built from a used $285 Savage model 10 that had a 26" Shilen 1:10 varmint contour barrel fitted to it. The 308 is more demanding of the shooter since with the added recoil your hold has to be more repeatable in order to shoot it well.</p><p></p><p>If I do a target session, I will first get out the 223 and shoot groups on my 12x12 plate at 320 yards. It will show me if I am concentrating, getting the trigger discipline and breathing down. If I am doing good, then I will get out the 308. I am shooting 175gr SMK in my 308 and shooting it does cost close to double the 223, but it is more representative of any hunting weapon I have. It happens that my 308 is one of the most accurate riles I have ever owned and I have a proven load in it that will repeatably shoot less than 1/4" at 100 yards as long as I am on my game.</p><p></p><p>If both of these tests go well, then I will get out the 243 AI which is loaded up with either 95gr Bergers or 105 VLD's. The barrel life of the 243 will be much less than either of the others before it starts dropping off, but it is a reliable 1/2MOA rifle (another Savage 12 with a 26" Shilen varmint barrel 1:8).</p><p></p><p>I think what the OP is going to find, like most of us, is that factory rifles generally (except for the 308) do not have suitable twist rates to shoot high BC bullets. Then when you start looking at the expense of re-barreling a Remington and that fact that the factory barrels generally suck, the financial equation does not favor a Remington. In addition to the expense, you have the problem of finding a good smith to finish the barrel and what his schedule looks like. Some of the most rabid Remington supporters on this board have a machinist/perfectionist friend who does their barrel fitting and receiver accurizing and those of us who have to rely on a smith have an altogether different experience with higher costs without the benefit of having the job well done. In such cases, the prefit barrels for the Savage that I can fit myself for just $30 for a go gauge are a much better deal.</p><p></p><p>If you can't stand the feel of a Savage action (a real subjective negative) then my advice to the OP is to suck it up, and go to bugholes.com and get a Stiller custom action and a suitable blank (generally in stock, no wait), then get a suitable smith to fit the barrel to the action. The rest of the work fitting the stock and trigger etc should be within most peoples skill set.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westcliffe01, post: 937388, member: 35183"] I have 2 "practice rifles". The first is a Savage 10 PC 223. From the factory it was a 9.25 twist, but I now have a 1:8 twist varmint barrel on it so that I can shoot the 80gr Bergers and SMK's. My second is a 308. It was built from a used $285 Savage model 10 that had a 26" Shilen 1:10 varmint contour barrel fitted to it. The 308 is more demanding of the shooter since with the added recoil your hold has to be more repeatable in order to shoot it well. If I do a target session, I will first get out the 223 and shoot groups on my 12x12 plate at 320 yards. It will show me if I am concentrating, getting the trigger discipline and breathing down. If I am doing good, then I will get out the 308. I am shooting 175gr SMK in my 308 and shooting it does cost close to double the 223, but it is more representative of any hunting weapon I have. It happens that my 308 is one of the most accurate riles I have ever owned and I have a proven load in it that will repeatably shoot less than 1/4" at 100 yards as long as I am on my game. If both of these tests go well, then I will get out the 243 AI which is loaded up with either 95gr Bergers or 105 VLD's. The barrel life of the 243 will be much less than either of the others before it starts dropping off, but it is a reliable 1/2MOA rifle (another Savage 12 with a 26" Shilen varmint barrel 1:8). I think what the OP is going to find, like most of us, is that factory rifles generally (except for the 308) do not have suitable twist rates to shoot high BC bullets. Then when you start looking at the expense of re-barreling a Remington and that fact that the factory barrels generally suck, the financial equation does not favor a Remington. In addition to the expense, you have the problem of finding a good smith to finish the barrel and what his schedule looks like. Some of the most rabid Remington supporters on this board have a machinist/perfectionist friend who does their barrel fitting and receiver accurizing and those of us who have to rely on a smith have an altogether different experience with higher costs without the benefit of having the job well done. In such cases, the prefit barrels for the Savage that I can fit myself for just $30 for a go gauge are a much better deal. If you can't stand the feel of a Savage action (a real subjective negative) then my advice to the OP is to suck it up, and go to bugholes.com and get a Stiller custom action and a suitable blank (generally in stock, no wait), then get a suitable smith to fit the barrel to the action. The rest of the work fitting the stock and trigger etc should be within most peoples skill set. [/QUOTE]
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