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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 845874" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Let's get a couple of things straight... first, I am not angry at you... a little frustrated at times with your rhetoric, but not angry. Next, I never said or implied that you were against hunting wolves. What I have said is that your rhetoric muddies the water and is distracting to the real issue which was/is the introduction of a destructive species and the efforts of those who favor it. That said, I'm not really sure what you are for or against. There seems to be a lot of contradiction in your posts.</p><p></p><p>I personally know several of the members posting in this thread, but I don't you from Adam. You could a pretender of some sort for all I know. We all live here at ground zero and have witnessed the madness first hand. A way of life is being destroyed for many. Prosperous and healthy elk herds have almost wiped out and it is a silent catastrophe. You start this thread and state that the real problem is poachers and Natives and not wolves. Can you imagine the dismay of us here who are living a wolf nightmare, when someone like you who claims to be a sportsman and hunter, says that wolves are not the problem???</p><p></p><p>I find it a little mind boggling that you engage in debates with bigngreen and rooster about hings you know nothing about and they know everything about because they live it. I am not a rancher, but I have lived in Montana long enough to understand something about ranchers and ranching and I understand that they have an affection for the wildlife of Montana and at the same time struggle with it. Many of them are avid sportsmen and hunters, but at the same time, their livelihood is sometimes in direct competition with what they love. You seem unable to grasp that.</p><p></p><p>"Scarring" and "herding" are completely different things. You can scare a wild animal "away" from a particular location but you can not herd them "to" a specific location. Wild animals are not livestock, especially not elk. When winter comes, food becomes scarce for wildlife. Elk migrate to hay fields where fodder is sweet and plentiful. The drive to eat overcomes the fear of danger and although you haze and shoot them, they always come back until spring thaw when they migrate back into summer range.</p><p></p><p>My specific location the Gallatin Valley which is in between rooster and bigngreen is not a great place to hunt wolves. It is a high population area (for Montana) with a lot of rural residential and farm land and access is extremely difficult. The closest best place to find wolves is on a ranch that Ted Turner owns so that is out of the question. Bottom line is that if I want to hunt wolves I need to go East to the Paradise Valley or West to the Madison Valley, where it is much easier to come into contact with wolves. This I plan to do this winter after the regular hunting season and if an opportunity arises during the regular hunting season, well I sure will take it.</p><p></p><p>As far as researching the facts, it's not that hard to do if you really want to. And i will tell you that rooster, bigngreen and others are giving you the facts. They are giving you a good education and insight to the real deal. Take advantage of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 845874, member: 11717"] Let's get a couple of things straight... first, I am not angry at you... a little frustrated at times with your rhetoric, but not angry. Next, I never said or implied that you were against hunting wolves. What I have said is that your rhetoric muddies the water and is distracting to the real issue which was/is the introduction of a destructive species and the efforts of those who favor it. That said, I'm not really sure what you are for or against. There seems to be a lot of contradiction in your posts. I personally know several of the members posting in this thread, but I don't you from Adam. You could a pretender of some sort for all I know. We all live here at ground zero and have witnessed the madness first hand. A way of life is being destroyed for many. Prosperous and healthy elk herds have almost wiped out and it is a silent catastrophe. You start this thread and state that the real problem is poachers and Natives and not wolves. Can you imagine the dismay of us here who are living a wolf nightmare, when someone like you who claims to be a sportsman and hunter, says that wolves are not the problem??? I find it a little mind boggling that you engage in debates with bigngreen and rooster about hings you know nothing about and they know everything about because they live it. I am not a rancher, but I have lived in Montana long enough to understand something about ranchers and ranching and I understand that they have an affection for the wildlife of Montana and at the same time struggle with it. Many of them are avid sportsmen and hunters, but at the same time, their livelihood is sometimes in direct competition with what they love. You seem unable to grasp that. "Scarring" and "herding" are completely different things. You can scare a wild animal "away" from a particular location but you can not herd them "to" a specific location. Wild animals are not livestock, especially not elk. When winter comes, food becomes scarce for wildlife. Elk migrate to hay fields where fodder is sweet and plentiful. The drive to eat overcomes the fear of danger and although you haze and shoot them, they always come back until spring thaw when they migrate back into summer range. My specific location the Gallatin Valley which is in between rooster and bigngreen is not a great place to hunt wolves. It is a high population area (for Montana) with a lot of rural residential and farm land and access is extremely difficult. The closest best place to find wolves is on a ranch that Ted Turner owns so that is out of the question. Bottom line is that if I want to hunt wolves I need to go East to the Paradise Valley or West to the Madison Valley, where it is much easier to come into contact with wolves. This I plan to do this winter after the regular hunting season and if an opportunity arises during the regular hunting season, well I sure will take it. As far as researching the facts, it's not that hard to do if you really want to. And i will tell you that rooster, bigngreen and others are giving you the facts. They are giving you a good education and insight to the real deal. Take advantage of it. [/QUOTE]
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