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<blockquote data-quote="SansSouci" data-source="post: 1269713" data-attributes="member: 84520"><p>Good Morning, COBigJohn,</p><p></p><p>Seems as though everything hunting involves compromise. But I might be ahead of myself. Is your 7MM Rem Mag to be used for hunting or target shooting? </p><p></p><p>I know that this is a long range hunting forum. However, I've gotten the impression that many have long range hunted only in the abstract. Reality is a whole lot different. Moreover, long range can vary from hunter-to-hunter. For me, it's ~400 yards, and that's under perfect conditions.</p><p></p><p>Some 25 years ago I bought a Sako AV Classic in 7MM Rem Mag. I believe it's twisted at a ratio of 9.5:1. I do know that it'll shoot a whole lot farther than I'm capable. And it's a whole lot more accurate than I'm capable. Three shots touching each other at a hundred yards at about .25" is pretty darn good. And I reload for hunting, not target shooting. </p><p></p><p>From experience, a 160 grain Partition fired from my 7MM Rem Mag will kill huge bull elk dead as dead gets. All I gotta do is destroy a bull's oxygenating blood pumping apparatus, and he'll hit dirt. </p><p></p><p>My opinion is your 7MM Rem Mag will kill big game as dead as a .338 Lapua. In fact, big game used to die when they were shot with the 7x57, .30-30 Win, 6.5x55, .45/70 Gov't, the '06, and a whole lot of other similar cartridges. It ain't cartridge that kills big game. It's what bullets fired from them destroy that does. </p><p></p><p>I've seen well-put-up studly dudes flinch from bench shooting sporter weight .300 WM. I have an absolutely beautiful Belgian Bowning manufactured circa 1969 chambered for .338 Win Mag. I've fired it 3 times. That was over 30 years ago. I ain't fired her since. She's much too powerful for anything in North America. Maybe some day I'll get bored, put a scope on her, load some rounds for her, and send a few bullets down range. </p><p></p><p>IMO, right after a bad shooting rifle, flinching most negatively affects accuracy. </p><p></p><p>The compromise I ain't willing to make is weight. Lord knows, I've yelled words I didn't know I knew at my 10+ pound 7MM Rem Mag while climbing high ridges in Wyoming's Star Valley. After my second year of that torture, I went lightweight. </p><p></p><p>Last season I hunted mule deer antlers in Southern Utah where huge bucks are known to hole up. The area I hunt is just shy of 10000'. I hunted with my early 70's Model 700 .270 Win, which will shoot quarter-inch groups at a 100 yards and weighs about 2.5 pounds less than my Sako. As I know that you know, at altitude, toilet paper is heavy. When I commence to scaling ridges, I don't want to carry a 14 pound rifle. And then there's that stalking part, when you gotta climb to where big bucks bed, try to sneak up on 'em, and fire what will likely be a very fast shot as he senses .270 Win danger, jumps, and runs. </p><p></p><p>I guess that that was a winded way of opining that your 7MM Rem Mag was an excellent choice. There's magic in .284 caliber bullets. </p><p></p><p>BTW, I get a chrono'd 3100+ FPS with 160 grain Partitions with zero excessive pressure indicators using H-4831 & Fed 215 primers. I get 3000+ FPS using 175 grain bullets using RL-22, again with no excessive pressure indicators. I get 3200+ FPS using 150 grain Ballistic Tips and IMR-4350 powder & nada pressure. And my 7MM Rem Mag has a 24" barrel. </p><p></p><p>I just might standardize with 150 grain Partitions. The way I have it figured, they'll kill big game just as dead as 160 grain Partitions, which seems to be the 7MM Rem Mag gold standard elk bullet. </p><p></p><p>COBigJohn, I wish you complete success with your rifle, and I hope it creates many cherished memories afield for you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SansSouci, post: 1269713, member: 84520"] Good Morning, COBigJohn, Seems as though everything hunting involves compromise. But I might be ahead of myself. Is your 7MM Rem Mag to be used for hunting or target shooting? I know that this is a long range hunting forum. However, I've gotten the impression that many have long range hunted only in the abstract. Reality is a whole lot different. Moreover, long range can vary from hunter-to-hunter. For me, it's ~400 yards, and that's under perfect conditions. Some 25 years ago I bought a Sako AV Classic in 7MM Rem Mag. I believe it's twisted at a ratio of 9.5:1. I do know that it'll shoot a whole lot farther than I'm capable. And it's a whole lot more accurate than I'm capable. Three shots touching each other at a hundred yards at about .25" is pretty darn good. And I reload for hunting, not target shooting. From experience, a 160 grain Partition fired from my 7MM Rem Mag will kill huge bull elk dead as dead gets. All I gotta do is destroy a bull's oxygenating blood pumping apparatus, and he'll hit dirt. My opinion is your 7MM Rem Mag will kill big game as dead as a .338 Lapua. In fact, big game used to die when they were shot with the 7x57, .30-30 Win, 6.5x55, .45/70 Gov't, the '06, and a whole lot of other similar cartridges. It ain't cartridge that kills big game. It's what bullets fired from them destroy that does. I've seen well-put-up studly dudes flinch from bench shooting sporter weight .300 WM. I have an absolutely beautiful Belgian Bowning manufactured circa 1969 chambered for .338 Win Mag. I've fired it 3 times. That was over 30 years ago. I ain't fired her since. She's much too powerful for anything in North America. Maybe some day I'll get bored, put a scope on her, load some rounds for her, and send a few bullets down range. IMO, right after a bad shooting rifle, flinching most negatively affects accuracy. The compromise I ain't willing to make is weight. Lord knows, I've yelled words I didn't know I knew at my 10+ pound 7MM Rem Mag while climbing high ridges in Wyoming's Star Valley. After my second year of that torture, I went lightweight. Last season I hunted mule deer antlers in Southern Utah where huge bucks are known to hole up. The area I hunt is just shy of 10000'. I hunted with my early 70's Model 700 .270 Win, which will shoot quarter-inch groups at a 100 yards and weighs about 2.5 pounds less than my Sako. As I know that you know, at altitude, toilet paper is heavy. When I commence to scaling ridges, I don't want to carry a 14 pound rifle. And then there's that stalking part, when you gotta climb to where big bucks bed, try to sneak up on 'em, and fire what will likely be a very fast shot as he senses .270 Win danger, jumps, and runs. I guess that that was a winded way of opining that your 7MM Rem Mag was an excellent choice. There's magic in .284 caliber bullets. BTW, I get a chrono'd 3100+ FPS with 160 grain Partitions with zero excessive pressure indicators using H-4831 & Fed 215 primers. I get 3000+ FPS using 175 grain bullets using RL-22, again with no excessive pressure indicators. I get 3200+ FPS using 150 grain Ballistic Tips and IMR-4350 powder & nada pressure. And my 7MM Rem Mag has a 24" barrel. I just might standardize with 150 grain Partitions. The way I have it figured, they'll kill big game just as dead as 160 grain Partitions, which seems to be the 7MM Rem Mag gold standard elk bullet. COBigJohn, I wish you complete success with your rifle, and I hope it creates many cherished memories afield for you. [/QUOTE]
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