7mm/378 Weatherby 35 degree shoulder

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  1. adam32

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    Done anyone have one or know anything about them? I see that Z-hat chambers it, but thats about the only information I can find about it. I wonder how it would compare to the 7mm Allen Mag, STW, RUM? I e-mailed Z-hat, so if they get back to me I'll post what they say.

    Adam
     
  2. James Jones

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    I'm pretty sure that it would have a little bit more capacity than the 7mmAllen mag which is a bit more than the RUM a good bit more than the STW and unless your using a VERY long barrel you woulden't get any more velocity , that is way more powder than can be burned in the 7mm bore and Weatherby's soft brass will prevent you from pushing it to hard so realisticaly you will likely be able to get more speed with a 7mmAllen mag.

    It seems like alot of wokk fireforming the brass which is very expensive and doesn't last that long fo no real benifit.
     

  3. Varmint Hunter

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    Although I would be very worried about bore life, I guess there may be some application for such a cartridge.

    To see any performance enhancement over smaller 7mm cartridges I think that you would need a very fast twist which would accomodate bullets that are particularely long & heavy for the .284 bore diameter. A 200-250gr bullet and a very long barrel to propel it would make for an interesting LR combo.
     
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    "I guess there may be some application for such a cartridge"
    I'm not pickin up on what it could be, after fireforming and barrel break-in it's time for a new barrel.
    UB
     
  5. adam32

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    I'm not really understanding how fire-forming it and the Allen Mag are different? How is it so much worse with the 7mm/378?
     
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    If your were fire forming with a good cream of wheat load their would be very little to no barrel wear and with well thought out loads you could fireform with very little barrel wear. But as with any time your fire a round of anything their is a chance or probablility of barrel wear.

    If I were going to have a big over bore mag like the 7mmAllen mag I would send the extra money and have a cheap $89 Adams & Bennit barrel chambered for the same round and use that for a brass forming barrel.
     
  7. James H

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    James I believe that is an excellent idea. I think they run around $80 and would sure help extend the life of the "shooting" barrel.
    For it's intended purpose it wouldn't even need to be blued.

    James
     
  8. Fiftydriver

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    The 7mm Kubla Kahn, which is a 7mm 378 Wby with 35 degree conventional shoulder would be much larger then the 7mm Allen Magnum in capacity. That would be the only advantage that chambering would have over my 7mm AM.

    The reason, the EXTREMELY expensive Wby brass will loose its primer pockets at relatively low pressure compared to the Lapua case. Even though it has a 10-12 grain powder capacity advantage over the 7mm Allen Magnum, the ability of the Lapua case to handle much higher pressures will even the score.

    While I have not tested the 7mm AM head to head with the 7mm Kahn, I have tested the 300 AX with the 30-378 and the 338 AX to the 338-378.

    In both of those cases, in same length barrels with same bullets, the top loads in the 300 AX and 338 AX will easily match or slightly exceed what is possible with the same caliber Wby chamberings.

    Now keep in mind, that is with the goal of getting at least 5 firings per case. If you are ok with loading one load and toosing brass, certainly the larger case capacity will have an advantage simply because I would be scared to load the Lapua case up to the point it would loose a primer pocket on the first firing!!!

    Remember that capacity is only as useful as the case that holds it. If you want good case life, you will not see much more performance then my 7mm AM.

    As to actual performance of the 7mm Kahn. I personally believe there is a limit to where the velocity continues to increase as case capacity increases. Again, in my opinion, the 7mm AM is about as large of a capacity you can use effectively and consistantly. Going larger in capacity would more then likely only decrease consistancy and also decrease an already limited barrel life.

    As to barrel life with the 7mm AM. Formed cases are now availiable from me for this chambering. Either in the form of new cases I provide that I form or with cases customers supply to me for forming so that will GREATLY save on limited barrel life.

    ballistically, there is really no comparision to the 7mm AM but there is no arguement that its not overly barrel friendly, one reason I decided to offer this case forming service.

    I would again say that I believe the big Wby case is just to much capacity for the 7mm bore even with the very large 200 gr class bullets.

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  9. adam32

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    Thanks Kirby. I would think the Weatherby brass would be better since its so dang expensive. I will go with yours when its time. :)

    Thanks Again.
     
  10. blygy

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    Sorry to side track a little but isn't all Weatherby brass built by Norma???
     
  11. James Jones

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    yea Wby brass is made by Norma and thats the trouble ,Norma brass is very soft , high quality as far as consistancy goes but its soft and doesen't take pressure at all.
     
  12. ridge rider

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    Hi Kirby,

    What sort of barrel life could I expect from the 7mm AM

    Thanks

    RR
     
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    I would say in a 7mm 378 imp you would be lucky to get 500 rounds of useful barrel life. If you are wanting to shoot further than 1000 yards the 338s probably would be a beter bet, other wise a 7mmRUM or 7mm Allen mag
     
  14. NZ Longranger

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    We have actually built and tested a 7mm/416 Rigby improved, and it is definitely too much capacity in the 7mm bore. We actually lost velocity compared to our full length version of the 7mm Fatso we call the 7mm SuperFatso (basically the same capacity as Kirby's 7mmAM, both necked down full length 338 Lapua's). From memory the 2.9" 7mm/416 had about a 135gn watercapacity to the base of the neck verses the 2.7" 7mmSuperFatso's low 120's, verses the 7mm RUM's 116 gns. Anyway, as I said, for the same pressure the 7mm/416 produced less velocity than the 7mm SuperFatso. Dan Lilja had this same experience when he did a full length 7mm/378, and he eventually cut it back to a 2.5" version. The 7mm AM/ 7mm SuperFatso is max capacity in 7mm!
    Greg