I tried some loads in a gun that a smith screwed up the chamber mod 6.5 saum. Got a new ramero to the right spc now. Anyway tried some loads with to 19 will try 17 don't know if the fill on case will work? 7828 gave me the best vel and groups considering fire forming and stretching cases. Mod 6.5 WaMu reamer. Long story. Still going to try mag pro to.6.5 saum has more case capacity than 6.5 mag think 73