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.338 win mag reloads NEED HELP!
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<blockquote data-quote="338winmag" data-source="post: 676652" data-attributes="member: 29912"><p>Well.................. I am usually the one to not agree with the masses if I belief "someone is encouraging others to drink Koolaid".</p><p> </p><p>I wanted to respectfully dissect your post but decided rather to just touch on this "coming out of the barrel at LEAST 3,000fps to even stabilize" statement.</p><p> </p><p>First, I believe that many rifles today from absolute experience, regardless of make and model, if decent handloading practices are incorporated, can produce really nice long range hunting results with the tested load and bullet used. </p><p> </p><p>I am hoping that the reader of this reply will complete this reading before making any subjective discernment. I honestly believe (seriously), that one needs to apply some of their own personal logical thinking ability before one starts to just accept what anyone says is "real truth" (yup that includes me). Yes science is defintely science but be careful someone does not twist the science toward their benefit.</p><p> </p><p>I cannot totally disagree with this statement "coming out of the barrel at LEAST 3,000 fps to even <strong><u><em>stabilize</em></u></strong>", but it has limited scientific truth and applies probably even less for most bullets.</p><p> </p><p>Now I could be wrong on al this but:</p><p>First, you have one nice hunting rig setup! Seriously.. What this nice setup greatly offers is possible less time for sweet spot load testing and product error, but ask yourself this initial question. If one finds the sweetload for a particular lesser costing rile that shots 1/8" MOA at 200 yd (same scope as for the higher costing\quality rifle), does the bullet's trajectory get affected by the quality of the rifle after this distance? This should be an interesting question for you. Once the bullet has left the rifle and attained specific results, does the rifle affect the bullet's further ballistic results at 1000?</p><p> </p><p>Next, now keep this in objective consideration. If a manufacturer's bullet specification needs are such extermely dictative and specific requirements that one has to meet all of the manufacturer's extreme specific requirements on everyone's firings, is it trully realistic to believe the manufacturor's ballistic results.</p><p> </p><p>This is my perspective. </p><p>Its either - One needs to find the ballistic perfection of one's rifle and load. If there is not a stablaization at 100, then cannot the bullet stabalize at 200 yards? I have a feeling that the manufacture tech's statement's might be very subjective and possibly not the real manufacterer bullets potential truth. </p><p> </p><p>This bulet is not worth your time and effort since altitude, climate condition can always affect this 3000fps muzzle velocity and inside 100 or 200 yard range can determine whether the bullet stablized is even possible. </p><p> </p><p>Try an accubond. With my specific case. seating depth and load capapcity, I am getting .650 or less @ 200 with my load\rilfe that is a Weatherby Vanguard S1. </p><p>Powder can make a difference along with other factors.</p><p> </p><p>338winmg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="338winmag, post: 676652, member: 29912"] Well.................. I am usually the one to not agree with the masses if I belief "someone is encouraging others to drink Koolaid". I wanted to respectfully dissect your post but decided rather to just touch on this "coming out of the barrel at LEAST 3,000fps to even stabilize" statement. First, I believe that many rifles today from absolute experience, regardless of make and model, if decent handloading practices are incorporated, can produce really nice long range hunting results with the tested load and bullet used. I am hoping that the reader of this reply will complete this reading before making any subjective discernment. I honestly believe (seriously), that one needs to apply some of their own personal logical thinking ability before one starts to just accept what anyone says is "real truth" (yup that includes me). Yes science is defintely science but be careful someone does not twist the science toward their benefit. I cannot totally disagree with this statement "coming out of the barrel at LEAST 3,000 fps to even [B][U][I]stabilize[/I][/U][/B]", but it has limited scientific truth and applies probably even less for most bullets. Now I could be wrong on al this but: First, you have one nice hunting rig setup! Seriously.. What this nice setup greatly offers is possible less time for sweet spot load testing and product error, but ask yourself this initial question. If one finds the sweetload for a particular lesser costing rile that shots 1/8" MOA at 200 yd (same scope as for the higher costing\quality rifle), does the bullet's trajectory get affected by the quality of the rifle after this distance? This should be an interesting question for you. Once the bullet has left the rifle and attained specific results, does the rifle affect the bullet's further ballistic results at 1000? Next, now keep this in objective consideration. If a manufacturer's bullet specification needs are such extermely dictative and specific requirements that one has to meet all of the manufacturer's extreme specific requirements on everyone's firings, is it trully realistic to believe the manufacturor's ballistic results. This is my perspective. Its either - One needs to find the ballistic perfection of one's rifle and load. If there is not a stablaization at 100, then cannot the bullet stabalize at 200 yards? I have a feeling that the manufacture tech's statement's might be very subjective and possibly not the real manufacterer bullets potential truth. This bulet is not worth your time and effort since altitude, climate condition can always affect this 3000fps muzzle velocity and inside 100 or 200 yard range can determine whether the bullet stablized is even possible. Try an accubond. With my specific case. seating depth and load capapcity, I am getting .650 or less @ 200 with my load\rilfe that is a Weatherby Vanguard S1. Powder can make a difference along with other factors. 338winmg [/QUOTE]
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