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338 Edge bullet for elk
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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 500474" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>Keep us informed on the new cutting edge and GS bullets. I have a couple 28" 300 RUM's that are extremely accurate and have made kills over 1000 yards with the 208 Amax at 3210 fps. But over 3500 fps sounds pretty good.</p><p> </p><p>As far as long range elk with the 338-300 RUM it is a wash to me between the 225 AB and the 300 SMK. If you are going to shoot elk beyond 1000 yards with it then the 300 grainers are the way to go. But the cartridge is best suited shooting the 225 AB inside of 1000 yards. To shoot the 300 grain bullet at elk beyond 1000 yards there are better choices in 338 for that purpose. So in my opinion it leaves the 338-300 RUM best suited shooting lighter and flatter shooting bullets inside 1000 yards. It will kill an elk at 1200 or so yards with the 300 grainers but there are several faster 338's better suited for that purpose.You could kill an elk at a mile with one just to say you did it but there are much better choices. Just run the ballistics with the 300 grainers at 3100 fps vs 2800 fps and you will see what I mean. I have been doing this a long time and we had this figured out many years ago. The introduction of the 300 smk in the late 90's just made the big guns even better at super long range.</p><p> </p><p>The problem is as you get to the max effective range of this cartridge either bullet gets there and kills the elk. If a guy is going to shoot at elk at 1200 or so yards he is best suited with a cartridge that can push the 300 grainers beyond 3000 fps. I think it is best inside 1000 yards and at that range I like the 225 AB because of way less drop and not a lot in windage difference. I have shot many animals beyond 1000 yards with BC's in the .5's, no problem. BC's sometime get in the way of making the right choice. Shooting targets is all BC's. Shooting animals there is more to consider. You have got to make the shot with the right bullet that will do the job. At lower velocities the 225 AB seems to perform better than the 300 SMK with the hits I have seen. So it keeps the safe killing distance with this cartridge at about the same with either bullet as far as bullet performance. However if there is much unsteady wind hits with the 300 smk are easier beyond 1000 yards.</p><p> </p><p>I just play it safe and use the best odds using my RUM stuff and smaller inside 1000 yards with the 225 AB and if I am going long range hunting I shoot the 300 SMK out of one of my big 338's at 3050-3150 fps. With one of these I still can beat the 30's shooting 177's at 3500 fps. These big 30's are still going to hit that 1200 yard or so barrier where the big 300 SMK starting out around 3100 fps can go further. Not saying I can't take my 300 RUM with a 177 GS and kill an animal at 1500 yards because I could if I hit him right. By barrier I mean best effective range not what it will actually do under the right circumstances.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 500474, member: 505"] Keep us informed on the new cutting edge and GS bullets. I have a couple 28" 300 RUM's that are extremely accurate and have made kills over 1000 yards with the 208 Amax at 3210 fps. But over 3500 fps sounds pretty good. As far as long range elk with the 338-300 RUM it is a wash to me between the 225 AB and the 300 SMK. If you are going to shoot elk beyond 1000 yards with it then the 300 grainers are the way to go. But the cartridge is best suited shooting the 225 AB inside of 1000 yards. To shoot the 300 grain bullet at elk beyond 1000 yards there are better choices in 338 for that purpose. So in my opinion it leaves the 338-300 RUM best suited shooting lighter and flatter shooting bullets inside 1000 yards. It will kill an elk at 1200 or so yards with the 300 grainers but there are several faster 338's better suited for that purpose.You could kill an elk at a mile with one just to say you did it but there are much better choices. Just run the ballistics with the 300 grainers at 3100 fps vs 2800 fps and you will see what I mean. I have been doing this a long time and we had this figured out many years ago. The introduction of the 300 smk in the late 90's just made the big guns even better at super long range. The problem is as you get to the max effective range of this cartridge either bullet gets there and kills the elk. If a guy is going to shoot at elk at 1200 or so yards he is best suited with a cartridge that can push the 300 grainers beyond 3000 fps. I think it is best inside 1000 yards and at that range I like the 225 AB because of way less drop and not a lot in windage difference. I have shot many animals beyond 1000 yards with BC's in the .5's, no problem. BC's sometime get in the way of making the right choice. Shooting targets is all BC's. Shooting animals there is more to consider. You have got to make the shot with the right bullet that will do the job. At lower velocities the 225 AB seems to perform better than the 300 SMK with the hits I have seen. So it keeps the safe killing distance with this cartridge at about the same with either bullet as far as bullet performance. However if there is much unsteady wind hits with the 300 smk are easier beyond 1000 yards. I just play it safe and use the best odds using my RUM stuff and smaller inside 1000 yards with the 225 AB and if I am going long range hunting I shoot the 300 SMK out of one of my big 338's at 3050-3150 fps. With one of these I still can beat the 30's shooting 177's at 3500 fps. These big 30's are still going to hit that 1200 yard or so barrier where the big 300 SMK starting out around 3100 fps can go further. Not saying I can't take my 300 RUM with a 177 GS and kill an animal at 1500 yards because I could if I hit him right. By barrier I mean best effective range not what it will actually do under the right circumstances. [/QUOTE]
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