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<blockquote data-quote="longrangehunterII" data-source="post: 1013304" data-attributes="member: 61185"><p>Get the ABC's of reloading, also read the reloading section in the various reloading manuals before you start to do any reloading. You'll need to fully understand each aspect of the reloading processes.</p><p></p><p>A 24" barrel is loosing you 26-32 fps per inch, and a lot of the slower powders for the Wby. could benefit from having a 26" barrel.</p><p></p><p>The Vanguard action is a well made action and can be re-barreled to produce an accurate rifle. I had a 243 and had Hart Rifle Barrels re-barrel it to 7mm-08 Rem. they did a fantastic job bedding the barreled action, truing it up and would group a 160 AB into a 1 1/2" @ 300 yards. Point being that's three time the distance a factory Wby. guarantees, although the Vanguard Sub MOA rifles would produce under an inch @ 100 yards. Something in the 5/8"-3/4" is a good load under field conditions in a hunting weight gun, the better the group the tighter is will remain long range. You just have to be able to place the bullet where it needs to go, which when it comes down to it doesn't matter what caliber you use as long as the bullet is made for hunting the game involved.</p><p></p><p>It boils down to this:</p><p></p><p>How much time you really want to invest in becoming a precision marksman?</p><p></p><p>How much money you want to spend in order to have the kind of accuracy you'd like to have in a weapon? </p><p></p><p>The further out you shoot, the more precise the ammo/gun and shooter needs to be. Along with learning how to dial and/or hold for windage and elevation. Plus the tools needed to make those long distance calls, a wind meter that has a weather meter built in, like the Kestrel 4000-4500, a Shooter Ballistics App on your phone, a good chronograph, electronic powder scale, calipers, etc. etc. etc.</p><p></p><p>This isn't something just money can by, not really. You can use Match Grade ammunition for a few calibers, like the 308 Win. and the 300 Win. Mag. But hand loading takes time to learn, money for bullets and powder and the tools needed to make good ammo. A really good custom gun will sent you back 3K-4K plus the scope needed. GA Precision makes some of the most accurate guns in this price range, I have two his guns and the workmanship is second to none. </p><p></p><p>You'll need to make your mind up on how far you really want to dive into this? I say that only because it does cost money to have high quality equipment. Not to say you need a full custom gun, you don't really. I have a Kimber Montana re-barreled by Shilen in 6.5/300 WSM that will out shoot a lot of custom guns out there with my hand-loads, but a wildcat isn't for everybody and not a novice.</p><p></p><p>If you can hand-load the gun you're using now to shoot under an inch, 1/2"-3/4", the 50-60 fps loss in velocity isn't a big deal, but you'll need a decent bullet in the 165-200 gr. range with decent BC and be able to hit a target at 400-600 yards 90% of the time. </p><p></p><p>It really is more about what you're capable of doing on a consistent basis with the equipment you have that matters most. The further you push the limits is when those shots tend to be outside of your POA, and who wants a wounded animal running around injured because of your mistake. Which is why I chose to practice with the best equipment I could afford at the time and become a proficient marksman.</p><p></p><p>Read as much as you can and then use it in the field. This isn't something that wont take a lot of reading and field use, but it does require proper training and technique plus time using what you've learned.</p><p></p><p>Good Luck and Keep 'M in the Ten Ring.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="longrangehunterII, post: 1013304, member: 61185"] Get the ABC's of reloading, also read the reloading section in the various reloading manuals before you start to do any reloading. You'll need to fully understand each aspect of the reloading processes. A 24" barrel is loosing you 26-32 fps per inch, and a lot of the slower powders for the Wby. could benefit from having a 26" barrel. The Vanguard action is a well made action and can be re-barreled to produce an accurate rifle. I had a 243 and had Hart Rifle Barrels re-barrel it to 7mm-08 Rem. they did a fantastic job bedding the barreled action, truing it up and would group a 160 AB into a 1 1/2" @ 300 yards. Point being that's three time the distance a factory Wby. guarantees, although the Vanguard Sub MOA rifles would produce under an inch @ 100 yards. Something in the 5/8"-3/4" is a good load under field conditions in a hunting weight gun, the better the group the tighter is will remain long range. You just have to be able to place the bullet where it needs to go, which when it comes down to it doesn't matter what caliber you use as long as the bullet is made for hunting the game involved. It boils down to this: How much time you really want to invest in becoming a precision marksman? How much money you want to spend in order to have the kind of accuracy you'd like to have in a weapon? The further out you shoot, the more precise the ammo/gun and shooter needs to be. Along with learning how to dial and/or hold for windage and elevation. Plus the tools needed to make those long distance calls, a wind meter that has a weather meter built in, like the Kestrel 4000-4500, a Shooter Ballistics App on your phone, a good chronograph, electronic powder scale, calipers, etc. etc. etc. This isn't something just money can by, not really. You can use Match Grade ammunition for a few calibers, like the 308 Win. and the 300 Win. Mag. But hand loading takes time to learn, money for bullets and powder and the tools needed to make good ammo. A really good custom gun will sent you back 3K-4K plus the scope needed. GA Precision makes some of the most accurate guns in this price range, I have two his guns and the workmanship is second to none. You'll need to make your mind up on how far you really want to dive into this? I say that only because it does cost money to have high quality equipment. Not to say you need a full custom gun, you don't really. I have a Kimber Montana re-barreled by Shilen in 6.5/300 WSM that will out shoot a lot of custom guns out there with my hand-loads, but a wildcat isn't for everybody and not a novice. If you can hand-load the gun you're using now to shoot under an inch, 1/2"-3/4", the 50-60 fps loss in velocity isn't a big deal, but you'll need a decent bullet in the 165-200 gr. range with decent BC and be able to hit a target at 400-600 yards 90% of the time. It really is more about what you're capable of doing on a consistent basis with the equipment you have that matters most. The further you push the limits is when those shots tend to be outside of your POA, and who wants a wounded animal running around injured because of your mistake. Which is why I chose to practice with the best equipment I could afford at the time and become a proficient marksman. Read as much as you can and then use it in the field. This isn't something that wont take a lot of reading and field use, but it does require proper training and technique plus time using what you've learned. Good Luck and Keep 'M in the Ten Ring. [/QUOTE]
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