Thanks, we were trying to match the sitka optifade but that turned out to be too much of a task. Was out ladder testing 200 gr accubonds and retumbo between 91.8-92.6 in .2 grn increments, first picture. For foulers I loaded up 185 vlds all at 96.0 gr retumbo .130 off lands. Shot cold bore fouler, then 3 shot group, cleaned, shot fouler, 3 shot group , and so on. Couldnt help but notice my fouler group was much better than my ladder test with AB's. Think I have luckily found my sweet spot in a total of 30 shots.