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<blockquote data-quote="Guest" data-source="post: 25675"><p>People who voted for Gen. Eisenhower the year he ran for president should not use the word to 'dude', it is not dignified.</p><p></p><p>If I had a dollar for every time someone asked me to come shoot at Williamsport it would probably pay my match fees for a year.</p><p></p><p>I know where Pennsylvania is and the last time I checked the United States is still a free country. Although I have competed hundreds of times, I have not had time to compete since September of 2001. My home range holds four matches of different types each month, the first chance I get a free weekend I will probably shoot at my own club. The first chance I get to travel, I will probably go and shoot down in Tennessee with Fat boys group,they sound like they have a lot of fun at their matches. And they seem to lack the need for all those arbitrary rules and gamesmanship that I sense are the culture at Williamsport.</p><p> </p><p>DC---- you should pay LEN a fee every time you plug Williamsport outside of the competition thread. Based on the e-mail I have received from over 60 members of long-range hunting I can honestly say that the vast majority of people respect your opinion but truly wish you would stop interjecting invitations, challenges, and comments about thousand yard bench resting, or spotter shooting systems, when they simply want to trade technical information with other people they respect about a different subject on this forum.</p><p></p><p>Many people feel this way, however, only STL_SHOOTER has had the courage to point this out to you. Count me as No. 2. People are ripping on the name of your club now because your club's name finds its way into all of these threads that have nothing to do with competition.</p><p></p><p>Just do a search for Williamsport and look at the result, do you get the point yet?</p><p></p><p>You as a moderator should be setting an example that promotes the exchange of information, including information with subject matter that does not need to include your fine club.</p><p></p><p>I have said this before, and I will say it again, it obviously warrants repeating, because you missed the point the first time.</p><p> </p><p>"I have built many rifles capable of shooting world record groups at 1000 yards. However, they are in fact not world record rifles, they do not shoot in competitions, nor are they legal at Williamsport or any other thousand yards benchrest range. </p><p> </p><p>I will continue to build new technology into rifles for people who love to shoot at long-range and don't need a plaque or a certified world record to enjoy this rewarding sport." <img src="http://images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>I have seen many shooters shoot sub the world record groups with my rifles and with other people's rifles. The fact that it didn't happen at Williamsport does not diminish the skill of the SHOOTER the skill of the machinist. You may be as skeptical as you like, the fact remains there are hundreds of intelligent people that are keenly aware of the accuracy that my technology brings to shooting at long-range. Whether or not I choose to build something that fits your rules classes at Williamsport becomes a function of time, money, and priorities. I would sure like to see DC and BH compete at Williamsport this year with rifles they built with their own hands, I suspect if the truth be told, they will spend their time struggling with the technical issues that revolve around loading ammunition. I am curious however, in how many 1000 yards record holding gunsmiths, actually shot the world record with the gun they built with their own hands. I suspect that like any other task with a high task multiplicity, the best shooters are not the best gunsmiths, and the best gunsmiths are not the best 1000 yard shooters. Most people who are truly interested in the technology that I developed, simply say "will you build me a gun to these specifications using your technology?" You see, we already know what we do works and works better than what you're gunsmiths do. Using parametric testing techniques, and scientific methods that are repeatable, we verify results over and over again. I feel no need to prove this technology at Williamsport, we shoot in tunnels, and outdoors, and in the mountains. If you are truly interested in a competitive edge, perhaps you will accept my invitation to come to Missouri and learn. Len Backus did, and I think if you asked him he would tell you he saw and heard things he has never seen or heard before. You may always choose to continue your arguments, all while focused on that ammunition, or you could travel to Missouri someday, give me a call, and I will show you a better way to build a rifle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest, post: 25675"] People who voted for Gen. Eisenhower the year he ran for president should not use the word to 'dude', it is not dignified. If I had a dollar for every time someone asked me to come shoot at Williamsport it would probably pay my match fees for a year. I know where Pennsylvania is and the last time I checked the United States is still a free country. Although I have competed hundreds of times, I have not had time to compete since September of 2001. My home range holds four matches of different types each month, the first chance I get a free weekend I will probably shoot at my own club. The first chance I get to travel, I will probably go and shoot down in Tennessee with Fat boys group,they sound like they have a lot of fun at their matches. And they seem to lack the need for all those arbitrary rules and gamesmanship that I sense are the culture at Williamsport. DC---- you should pay LEN a fee every time you plug Williamsport outside of the competition thread. Based on the e-mail I have received from over 60 members of long-range hunting I can honestly say that the vast majority of people respect your opinion but truly wish you would stop interjecting invitations, challenges, and comments about thousand yard bench resting, or spotter shooting systems, when they simply want to trade technical information with other people they respect about a different subject on this forum. Many people feel this way, however, only STL_SHOOTER has had the courage to point this out to you. Count me as No. 2. People are ripping on the name of your club now because your club's name finds its way into all of these threads that have nothing to do with competition. Just do a search for Williamsport and look at the result, do you get the point yet? You as a moderator should be setting an example that promotes the exchange of information, including information with subject matter that does not need to include your fine club. I have said this before, and I will say it again, it obviously warrants repeating, because you missed the point the first time. "I have built many rifles capable of shooting world record groups at 1000 yards. However, they are in fact not world record rifles, they do not shoot in competitions, nor are they legal at Williamsport or any other thousand yards benchrest range. I will continue to build new technology into rifles for people who love to shoot at long-range and don't need a plaque or a certified world record to enjoy this rewarding sport." [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I have seen many shooters shoot sub the world record groups with my rifles and with other people's rifles. The fact that it didn't happen at Williamsport does not diminish the skill of the SHOOTER the skill of the machinist. You may be as skeptical as you like, the fact remains there are hundreds of intelligent people that are keenly aware of the accuracy that my technology brings to shooting at long-range. Whether or not I choose to build something that fits your rules classes at Williamsport becomes a function of time, money, and priorities. I would sure like to see DC and BH compete at Williamsport this year with rifles they built with their own hands, I suspect if the truth be told, they will spend their time struggling with the technical issues that revolve around loading ammunition. I am curious however, in how many 1000 yards record holding gunsmiths, actually shot the world record with the gun they built with their own hands. I suspect that like any other task with a high task multiplicity, the best shooters are not the best gunsmiths, and the best gunsmiths are not the best 1000 yard shooters. Most people who are truly interested in the technology that I developed, simply say "will you build me a gun to these specifications using your technology?" You see, we already know what we do works and works better than what you're gunsmiths do. Using parametric testing techniques, and scientific methods that are repeatable, we verify results over and over again. I feel no need to prove this technology at Williamsport, we shoot in tunnels, and outdoors, and in the mountains. If you are truly interested in a competitive edge, perhaps you will accept my invitation to come to Missouri and learn. Len Backus did, and I think if you asked him he would tell you he saw and heard things he has never seen or heard before. You may always choose to continue your arguments, all while focused on that ammunition, or you could travel to Missouri someday, give me a call, and I will show you a better way to build a rifle. [/QUOTE]
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