.22 lead ammo banned in California?

[fanuke]

Handymike,

In .22LR, the Winchester offering typically performs much better than the CCI for me. Neither perform like a good lead load, but they will keep you legal.

In .22 Magnum, both the CCI and Winchester offerings perform ok. Again, not as good as their lead counterparts, but similar enough. Hornady also offers a Lead Free option, but I've never tried it.

If you're just looking to shoot some varmints, I would stick with the Magnum. The LR just doesn't seem to "anchor" game as well.

Rich

 

[skipglo]

I was going to do a little ground squrriel hunting out in the desert and was informed that .22 lead ammo cannot be used for any hunting here in Calif.
Does anyone have info on best non lead .22 LR or .22WFM ammo

Set-up a target in the middle of the Gopher town.....and just say the gophers kept getting in the way!

 

[piute]

It is a vicious rabbit hole " Californication"
The administrations and agencies get many laws and regulations pushed through the back door no matter what, even with mass voter disapproval. With many issues not even having a vote! Example is on many national forest or public areas we are not allowed to shoot targets anymore. We can still hunt, with valid license, but only during open seasons can you carry a firearm! The lead ban is just another control step for the non gun regime. ' sorry starting to vent!

 

[Orange Dust]

It is a vicious rabbit hole " Californication"
The administrations and agencies get many laws and regulations pushed through the back door no matter what, even with mass voter disapproval. With many issues not even having a vote! Example is on many national forest or public areas we are not allowed to shoot targets anymore. We can still hunt, with valid license, but only during open seasons can you carry a firearm! The lead ban is just another control step for the non gun regime. ' sorry starting to vent!

You could always tell them no

 

[Paulbunyon]

If I recall correctly, there's a significant legal difference between "hunting" and "pest control" when talking about lead vs non-lead ammo requirements out here. Depends on species, bag limits, etc. While I've never gone out specifically for ground squirrels, I don't think they're a game species and therefore aren't legally "hunted." Do a little digging and you might find that you can do some legal, lead ammo target practice on warm targets… Anyone else read those bylaws?

 

[Mike Matteson]

They will never vote them out, but, If they all pool their resources they might be able to sue them out of the chokehold they have on them. Personally, I would let them have it, and let them finish turning it into something they even cannot live in.

I agree. I call it Mexico-North or Mex-alfornia now. I say if you are left stay there or go there. I am leaving too. Have been a Montana register for 12 yrs now. I still have a home in Mex-North, and it's going up on the market shortly. My sons are in the north now too. Last one out turn the lights off.

 

[Orange Dust]

I agree. I call it Mexico-North or Mex-alfornia now. I say if you are left stay there or go there. I am leaving too. Have been a Montana register for 12 yrs now. I still have a home in Mex-North, and it's going up on the market shortly. My sons are in the north now too. Last one out turn the lights off.

There is an old saying that you can vote yourself into socialism but you have to shoot your way out of it. I think the only alternative is to use the courts to get your rights back. Its how you lost most of them. You may not be that effective in high profile elections. Work the local elections. Esp prosecuters and judges. Or give up.

 

[Mike Matteson]

If I recall correctly, there's a significant legal difference between "hunting" and "pest control" when talking about lead vs non-lead ammo requirements out here. Depends on species, bag limits, etc. While I've never gone out specifically for ground squirrels, I don't think they're a game species and therefore aren't legally "hunted." Do a little digging and you might find that you can do some legal, lead ammo target practice on warm targets… Anyone else read those bylaws?

They are in the Varmint class, and open season 366 days a year. As far as copper and lead bullets I don't know. I don't shoot here anymore. I don't get anything or purchase anything in Mex-N. It all go to Montana. No sales tax either. It's one of the states that allow you to carry a pistol without a permit. 24 state allow this now.

 

[acourvil]

If I recall correctly, there's a significant legal difference between "hunting" and "pest control" when talking about lead vs non-lead ammo requirements out here. Depends on species, bag limits, etc. While I've never gone out specifically for ground squirrels, I don't think they're a game species and therefore aren't legally "hunted." Do a little digging and you might find that you can do some legal, lead ammo target practice on warm targets… Anyone else read those bylaws?

Shooting non-game species like ground squirrels and coyotes still requires non-lead ammunition in firearms. All firearms hunting in California requires non-lead ammunition. It might be possible to get a depredation permit that allows use of lead ammunition, but I think that is unlikely.

 

[brcfo_outdoors]

§475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.

Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:

• (a) Poison may not be used.
• (b) Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings.
• (c) Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations.
• (d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammals only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code.
• (e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.
• (f) The take or attempted take of any nongame bird or nongame mammal with a firearm shall be in accordance with the use of nonlead projectiles and ammunition pursuant to Section 250.1 of these regulations.

 

[J.J. Weiland]

I'm with you, I almost never shoot my 22lr anymore. I bought a Weatherby 17hmr and never looked back.

 

[rob257]

§475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.

Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:

• (a) Poison may not be used.
• (b) Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings.
• (c) Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations.
• (d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammals only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code.
• (e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.
• (f) The take or attempted take of any nongame bird or nongame mammal with a firearm shall be in accordance with the use of nonlead projectiles and ammunition pursuant to Section 250.1 of these regulations.

Norma recently came out with two 22lr loads. One is ECO speed and is a solid. The other is ECO power fragmentation. Both shoot good in my Ruger 77-22

The fragmentation hollow point round kills squirrels really well. The speed is not a hollow point and most of the squirrels run down a hole

These are the only non lead I have that work well

 

[judgebill]

Hey there all you who disparage California, our wonderful Governor is going to give auto drivers a $400 bonus. This will buy about 1 gallon of gas a week for a year. Now who can possibly complain about that? If you were to stick around long enough you might even get enough to buy a loaf of bread very month, a cup of weekly coffee...who knows what goodies are in store for us.

 

[Orange Dust]

Hey there all you who disparage California, our wonderful Governor is going to give auto drivers a $400 bonus. This will buy about 1 gallon of gas a week for a year. Now who can possibly complain about that? If you were to stick around long enough you might even get enough to buy a loaf of bread very month, a cup of weekly coffee...who knows what goodies are in store for us.

Bet he comes back and charges you 400 for you, your wife, your friends, his friends, and your fair share of illegals. What a deal! I wouldn't pass that up!!!