100% Hits to 600 Yards?

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[MagnumManiac]

I shoot 600metre groups as a regular weekend thing with my F-class rigs…at a paper target.
I do not know how big or small your milk jugs are, our largest milk jugs here are 3 litres, and with the big side facing me I would be confident of a hit with only 4 of my rifles, none of which are truly 'hunting' rifles, they are precision long range rifles and aren't suitable for hastily made shooting positions. Cant is the biggest negative I have had to endure in my LR hunting experience, often a bi-pod is just not going to work in the terrain provided, so I am not gonna commit to putting a figure up on your poll, wind I can deal with, angle I can deal and rest positions I can deal with, but as soon as I'm out of my comfort zone, confidence diminishes.
It all rests on confidence…
I have used my Kimber 8400 Select in 300WM to take game in New Zealand at 600+ metres, no wind and steep angles using my daypack and a rolled up shirt as a rest, but I had all the time in the world to get it right and get comfortable, the animals were oblivious to our presence, so the shots were easy.
I would not have the same confidence if I had to make a hasty shot without some prep at those ranges…

Cheers.

 

[7Rum Slayer]

Very well said Magnum, confidence is the key to success! Also, confidence comes with experience. Cheers back, Jason

 

[Deputy819]

With a hunting rifle, whatever you actually hunt with.

I'd have to FIRST set up a Go Fund Me account to be able to afford to try it with my SML. H4895 and Pittman bullets ain't cheap. I'd be confident out to 400 yards which I regularly shoot, but that's my "nature imposed" limit around my neck of the woods. My confidence would drop sharply on anything much further having not been able to practice it first.

 

[Taylorbok]

Ok, so for you you're comfy with taking all the time you need, I prefer to be on the animals clock

Both options would be fun to do. I'm more of a hunter/shooter than I am a hunter/sniper hence my vote for a clock. No right or wrong here, just different ways and that's what makes this all so interesting and fun. (at least for me)

See that's where I disagree, there is no clock. If you aren't 100% ready and comfortable to take the shot there is absolutely no requirement to do so, do not rush it, that's how animals get wounded unnecessarily.

Usually you'll get another opportunity, that's some of the benefit doing it long range, you typically don't spook the animal into running off.

 

[milo-2]

Using slow motion on a camera to try spot impacts on a exploding jug is one thing, spotting the same, even prone through your scope another.
In wind, you'll never notice a pattern of encroaching on one side or the other, or low or high if your ranging is off slightly. First indication will be a miss.

If this was painted steel, many could do it, milk jugs, very few will go 100%.

 

[Idaho Lefty]

Shooting 100 Rounds thru, My .270 WSM Elk, Rifle w/ 140's @ 3,200 FPS ( Or, the Marine's, .300 Win. Mag. ) IS around, 10 Percent of it's, Barrel LIFE,.. Fudge,. THAT ! That's WHAT,.. 6.5 Creedmoor's,.. ARE,.. FOR !

 

[Idaho Lefty]

With Our "Bigger" Game, Rifles, around 15 to 20 Shots, a Day at, 10 inch dia., Steel Practice ( Various Ranges and Positions ) ARE, "Enough" to, keep Our Family,.. IN, Hunting accuracy,.. "Tune" with, 4 to 5 Trips to, the Hills,.. EVERY Year.
We also Shoot, .243's, 6.5 Creed's, 6 XC's, .223's and, lots of, .22 LR in Between, those SERIOUS,.. Practice Days.

 

[Sealesniper]

There is NO WAY I could concentrate for 100 precision shots down range. If it were 10 shots, or maybe 20 shots, I feel I could do OK. Wind and ability to properly range the target would be important, (not as important as having someone's back to put my bi-pod on), but I don't think I would be able to manage much more than 20 rounds and I would want to stagger them for a uniform barrel heat. Would be fun to do with 2-3 buddies where we all read the wind and range, then alternate who goes first but all of us engage the same basic target. (4 jugs in a row at same distance 12 feet apart.)

 

[R. Cram]

Here is a screenshot pic of a 20 round + sighters (20 minutes max) 600 yard NM rules prone, AR-NM 223 loaded with 77gr Sierras. The MR-1 measures 6"-X ring and 12"-10.

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This is a very good target for the info for shooters looking at this, most of the shots are for elevation able to fit in the xring, 1moa. That shows the shooter and rifle are doing a very good job and the windage component is very good and shows the shooter is paying attention to the wind and making good calls for corrections. every shot at 600 yds in the highpower game has to be analized because each shot has a very good chance of having a different amount of correction. Making 100 out of 100 shots is very unrealistic in any kind of wind conditions since the milk jug is around 6 inches wide that means any more than 3inches of incorrect wind call will be a miss. I have shot with the best wind readers in the world at camp Perry for the highpower championships and the best there who are very devoted and talented could not get 100 out of 100 in a normal windy day, That would be equilivent to shooting 5 20 shot matches in a row and getting a 200-20x on each one, somebody has I'm sure shot a 200 20x but it is very uncommon. I always pitch for shooters to come out to these matches so they can see the results of each shot, the target is pulled after each shot and marked so you can make your wind guess and shoot and see if you were correct for 20 shots usually with at least 10 different windage settings and the people at these matches welcome new shooters and will bend over backwards to help a new person. I have tryed for a couple years on this forum to get people to come and shoot but no single person has yet from here. Only one young man came to a match from around here and he read too many stories about shooting game animals at 1000 yds and after he shot in a 600, 800 900 and 1000yd match he learned that the wind sometimes makes things out of your control

 

[mountainshedpro]

Not me

 

[bowhunter123456789]

Definitely Not Me. That would be great to try.

 

[del2les]

This is a very good target for the info for shooters looking at this, most of the shots are for elevation able to fit in the xring, 1moa. That shows the shooter and rifle are doing a very good job and the windage component is very good and shows the shooter is paying attention to the wind and making good calls for corrections. every shot at 600 yds in the highpower game has to be analized because each shot has a very good chance of having a different amount of correction. Making 100 out of 100 shots is very unrealistic in any kind of wind conditions since the milk jug is around 6 inches wide that means any more than 3inches of incorrect wind call will be a miss. I have shot with the best wind readers in the world at camp Perry for the highpower championships and the best there who are very devoted and talented could not get 100 out of 100 in a normal windy day, That would be equilivent to shooting 5 20 shot matches in a row and getting a 200-20x on each one, somebody has I'm sure shot a 200 20x but it is very uncommon. I always pitch for shooters to come out to these matches so they can see the results of each shot, the target is pulled after each shot and marked so you can make your wind guess and shoot and see if you were correct for 20 shots usually with at least 10 different windage settings and the people at these matches welcome new shooters and will bend over backwards to help a new person. I have tryed for a couple years on this forum to get people to come and shoot but no single person has yet from here. Only one young man came to a match from around here and he read too many stories about shooting game animals at 1000 yds and after he shot in a 600, 800 900 and 1000yd match he learned that the wind sometimes makes things out of your control

One must remember, the 600yd "prone" in the NM course is shot using only a sling for support and not any type of ground rest, front nor back. While I have never shot a 200-20x NM prone, I have shot 200-12x and several other cleans in the 600 during my career.

If one has competed in any of the 600yd BR matches, one will see several very small groups with often 20 round aggregates that run under 3 inches, sometimes much less. F-class is becoming similar with some great groups happening there.

As for wind reading, I think the best wind readers I have ever shot with are those in the BR class, especially the 600-1,000yd class. We did not have the luxury of large bullseyes and 10 rings we had in NM, for the game is all about the smallest groups possible.

 

[R. Cram]

One must remember, the 600yd "prone" in the NM course is shot using only a sling for support and not any type of ground rest, front nor back. While I have never shot a 200-20x NM prone, I have shot 200-12x and several other cleans in the 600 during my career.

If one has competed in any of the 600yd BR matches, one will see several very small groups with often 20 round aggregates that run under 3 inches, sometimes much less. F-class is becoming similar with some great groups happening there.

As for wind reading, I think the best wind readers I have ever shot with are those in the BR class, especially the 600-1,000yd class. We did not have the luxury of large bullseyes and 10 rings we had in NM, for the game is all about the smallest groups possible.

I am sure the other disiplines have very good wind readers but have shot in switchy wind enough to know it is not possible to guess the wind within 1/2 moa 100% of the time ,also the 100 shot challenge does not shoot all the shots at 600 yds, the closer shots will be lots easier. I still think 100 out of 100 may be close to impossible to acheive