To add to this interesting challenge for the buyer, look at Amazon right now. Search for Zeiss V8 4.8 - 35 x 60 and you will see a review that I can't believe is true. Someone claims they ordered a Zeiss and got a package loaded with 2 water bottles instead of a scope. Can't really believe that is true. Nor a very successful scam. Certainly a one and done scam. Since the seller is an established business I have to question the post. Why would you go to the trouble of such a post. It is not even in English. Go figure.