I double lunged him which is of course a bit back from the shoulder. just telling you what happened from the hunt. keep in mind I said he was originally at 225 yards and where he fell was at 300yards. So it proves my point that in a hunting scenario a MPBR works to perfection. That means I shot him somewhere b/w the two distances....No thinking involved. Shoulder the gun and it works. Done. put it this way. MPBR and my experience as a waterfowler sure helped kill the elk. didn't stop my swing, follow through and MPBR all did the job.