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<blockquote data-quote="freddiej" data-source="post: 1732130" data-attributes="member: 26227"><p>Okay, I have not read everything here but I am going to be the lone guy that believes the 6.5 Creed is not meant for hunting anything bigger than deer. in my mind's eye it is just a worked over 260 Rem. It's good for deer out to 400 yards. nothing special. Elk I have taken with 270 win, 300 win, 300 RUM (painful), 338 RUM (even more painful), 338 win mag and 45-70. I have guided people on a friend's ranch up in north western Montana. the big round at the time was 7MM R/M. I had one rule that I personally enforced like my heritage dictated. No vital shots- only neck or head shots. if you violated this rule I would make you personally track the Elk alone for as long as it took. I accepted no excuses. I had tracked too many 7MM shot Elk for miles, past the ranch's boundaries and had to explain why I was on someone else's land. </p><p>I was the "new guy" so I got the people no one else wanted. I smiled when I saw their guns, their choice of cartridges, and their KISS approach to hunting. there was only a few places on the ranch where you could take a 1,000 yard shot, mostly it was limited to 600 yards at most. with the meadow, forest layout most of your shots were under 425 yards. </p><p>I got handed this guy with this gun that had character (scrapes, bruises, worn bluing, and an oiled stock). over lunch we discussed how far he was comfortable to shoot. he stated 1,000 yards was his limit. I asked him for his setup/rig he was shooting. then we went to the range.. sure enough this guy was a really good shot, the farther he shot the better he got. I was confident in him. if this has been one of the 7MM people I would never have felt confident. most of the 7MM guys I test that year could not make a 250 yard shot to save their lives. This guy got a 500 yard shot the second day out and planted the elk with a high neck shot. for the next 6 years I guided him every year for Elk and Deer. okay two bear hunts as well. </p><p>the next week I got handed 4 guys that came up as a team. all had identical setups, I told them all they had to prove they could shoot them. they all proved it. they all adhered to the neck/head shot and all walked away with great bulls. </p><p>what do all 5 of these people have in common.. the caliber. 264 Win Mag. I have shot the creed, the 260 rem, 6.5 gren, and a handful of other 6.5 cartridges.. I have to admit I am completely underwhelmed by most every 6.5 chambering I have ever shot. with the exception of 6.5X57 AI, 6.5-06, 264 W/M. I have not shot the 6.5-7MM WSM yet or the 6.5 SAUM. let's face it I am not a huge 6.5 fan. never have been. so take my evaluation for what it's worth. </p><p>I like the 270 and wish the 7MM R/M had been a 270 R/M. maybe we would have better slugs for the 270 these days.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="freddiej, post: 1732130, member: 26227"] Okay, I have not read everything here but I am going to be the lone guy that believes the 6.5 Creed is not meant for hunting anything bigger than deer. in my mind's eye it is just a worked over 260 Rem. It's good for deer out to 400 yards. nothing special. Elk I have taken with 270 win, 300 win, 300 RUM (painful), 338 RUM (even more painful), 338 win mag and 45-70. I have guided people on a friend's ranch up in north western Montana. the big round at the time was 7MM R/M. I had one rule that I personally enforced like my heritage dictated. No vital shots- only neck or head shots. if you violated this rule I would make you personally track the Elk alone for as long as it took. I accepted no excuses. I had tracked too many 7MM shot Elk for miles, past the ranch's boundaries and had to explain why I was on someone else's land. I was the "new guy" so I got the people no one else wanted. I smiled when I saw their guns, their choice of cartridges, and their KISS approach to hunting. there was only a few places on the ranch where you could take a 1,000 yard shot, mostly it was limited to 600 yards at most. with the meadow, forest layout most of your shots were under 425 yards. I got handed this guy with this gun that had character (scrapes, bruises, worn bluing, and an oiled stock). over lunch we discussed how far he was comfortable to shoot. he stated 1,000 yards was his limit. I asked him for his setup/rig he was shooting. then we went to the range.. sure enough this guy was a really good shot, the farther he shot the better he got. I was confident in him. if this has been one of the 7MM people I would never have felt confident. most of the 7MM guys I test that year could not make a 250 yard shot to save their lives. This guy got a 500 yard shot the second day out and planted the elk with a high neck shot. for the next 6 years I guided him every year for Elk and Deer. okay two bear hunts as well. the next week I got handed 4 guys that came up as a team. all had identical setups, I told them all they had to prove they could shoot them. they all proved it. they all adhered to the neck/head shot and all walked away with great bulls. what do all 5 of these people have in common.. the caliber. 264 Win Mag. I have shot the creed, the 260 rem, 6.5 gren, and a handful of other 6.5 cartridges.. I have to admit I am completely underwhelmed by most every 6.5 chambering I have ever shot. with the exception of 6.5X57 AI, 6.5-06, 264 W/M. I have not shot the 6.5-7MM WSM yet or the 6.5 SAUM. let's face it I am not a huge 6.5 fan. never have been. so take my evaluation for what it's worth. I like the 270 and wish the 7MM R/M had been a 270 R/M. maybe we would have better slugs for the 270 these days. [/QUOTE]
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