Which replacement barrel for (long range) hunting ?

Juergen

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@ducky : mainly we are hunting deer and small hogs/boars. But if I can use the new barrel for big boars and moose it would be fine. I think the ballistic coefficient for .264 bullets is better than for .284.
That may be an advantage for .264, less wind drift.

@shortgrass : Buying a 'new barrel' means in my case to buy a new barrel from the company that produced the rifle. They only have a limited list of possible calibers for each system. To buy a barrel from another company
for my system may be much more expensive. I just spoke with a company, they told me it is not easy to make the locking for the Roessler-System.

@MagnumManiac : Roessler may be compatible to Sauer 202.
The 6.5 x 47 Lapua has a little less power than the 6.5 creedmoor. Are there any
advantages compared to the creedmoor ?
 
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FEENIX

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Hello !

I own a rifle with caliber .308 Win. and I am looking for a replacement barrel
with a caliber that has less wind drift than .308 Win.

Quite easy it is for me to change the barrel to
  • .25-06 Rem.
  • 6.5 x 47 Lapua
  • 6.5 Creedmoor
  • 6.5 x 55 SE
  • 6.5 x 57
  • 6.5 x 65 RWS
  • 6.5-284 Norma
  • .270 Win.
  • 7mm-08 Rem.
  • 7 x 57
  • 7 x 64
because I only need to change the barrel. No changes needed at the system.

My requirements are
  • not more recoil than .308 Win.
  • same or better precision than .308 Win.
  • working good with lead free bullets
  • much less wind drift than .308 Win.
  • much flatter trajectory than .308 Win.
  • reasonable barrel wear
  • more power than .308 Win. beyond 300 yards
Availability of factory ammunition is not an issue because I am reloading.

6.5 Creedmoor is shortlisted at the moment. Is 6.5 Creedmoor a good choice
or are some of the listed calibers better than 6.5 Creedmoor ?

Thanks for helping me!

Juergen
Juergen,

Welcome to LRH and enjoy it!

Most of the chambering you have listed might (depending on ammo/bullet weight, ???) generate more recoil than the .308 Win, and the .25 cal does not meet your min caliber requirement. You might a quick process of elimination and update your list—just a thought for your consideration.

You might also want to re-evaluate your requirement below ...

  • not more recoil than .308 Win.
  • more power than .308 Win. beyond 300 yards

There is an EU member that uses the 6.5x55 as his primary LRH/S. He used to post awesome videos but has not seen any lately. His name escapes me at the moment.

Again, welcome! Cheers.

Ed
 

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@FEENIX : I compared 6.5 creedmoor with a Berger Elite Hunter 140 gn #26552 bullet with .308 Win. with a Berger Classic Hunter 168 gn #30570 bullet and the result of QuickLOAD is (26" barrel / maximum load):
6.5 Creedmoor / .308 Win.
0 yards: 2758 ft⋅lbf / 3088 ft⋅lbf
328 yards: 1932 ft⋅lbf / 1962 ft⋅lbf

which means that the .308 Win. has more power in the beginning and
nearly the same power at 328 yards. And the 6.5 Creedmoor should
have less recoil because less bullet weight and less power in the
beginning.

That is a list of the calibers orderd by power at 328 yards = 300 m:

1827 ft⋅lbf = 6.5x47 Lapua | .260 Rem. | 6.5x55 SE | 6.5x57 | 6.5 Creedmoor | .308 Win. | 6.5x65 RWS | 6.5-284 Norma | 6.5 PRC | 6.5x68 = 2333 ft⋅lbf

So I believe it may be possible to have not more recoil than .308 Win. but
more power at 300 yards.

What do you think about it ? Is there a mistake in my calculations ?

Jürgen
 

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@FEENIX : I compared 6.5 creedmoor with a Berger Elite Hunter 140 gn #26552 bullet with .308 Win. with a Berger Classic Hunter 168 gn #30570 bullet and the result of QuickLOAD is (26" barrel / maximum load):
6.5 Creedmoor / .308 Win.
0 yards: 2758 ft⋅lbf / 3088 ft⋅lbf
328 yards: 1932 ft⋅lbf / 1962 ft⋅lbf

which means that the .308 Win. has more power in the beginning and
nearly the same power at 328 yards. And the 6.5 Creedmoor should
have less recoil because less bullet weight and less power in the
beginning.

That is a list of the calibers orderd by power at 328 yards = 300 m:

1827 ft⋅lbf = 6.5x47 Lapua | .260 Rem. | 6.5x55 SE | 6.5x57 | 6.5 Creedmoor | .308 Win. | 6.5x65 RWS | 6.5-284 Norma | 6.5 PRC | 6.5x68 = 2333 ft⋅lbf

So I believe it may be possible to have not more recoil than .308 Win. but
more power at 300 yards.

What do you think about it ? Is there a mistake in my calculations ?

Jürgen
Try this >>> http://kwk.us/recoil.html
 

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Jurgen , you can calculate recoil using quickload . my quickload at the top is a blue stripe V.3.5 , under that is a gray stripe . from the left ; File , data ; add ,change ,load ,save , OPTIONS , windows , info .
click on options , it will drop down . look about half way down , you'll see recoil . click on that .
 

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Hello !

I own a rifle with caliber .308 Win. and I am looking for a replacement barrel
with a caliber that has less wind drift than .308 Win.

Quite easy it is for me to change the barrel to
  • .25-06 Rem.
  • 6.5 x 47 Lapua
  • 6.5 Creedmoor
  • 6.5 x 55 SE
  • 6.5 x 57
  • 6.5 x 65 RWS
  • 6.5-284 Norma
  • .270 Win.
  • 7mm-08 Rem.
  • 7 x 57
  • 7 x 64
because I only need to change the barrel. No changes needed at the system.

My requirements are
  • not more recoil than .308 Win.
  • same or better precision than .308 Win.
  • working good with lead free bullets
  • much less wind drift than .308 Win.
  • much flatter trajectory than .308 Win.
  • reasonable barrel wear
  • more power than .308 Win. beyond 300 yards
Availability of factory ammunition is not an issue because I am reloading.

6.5 Creedmoor is shortlisted at the moment. Is 6.5 Creedmoor a good choice
or are some of the listed calibers better than 6.5 Creedmoor ?

Thanks for helping me!

Juergen
260 Remington!
 

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If the Creedmoor is on your shortlist, that will be a great choice. There is some hype involved but it is a great round. I would recommend starting with Lapua SRP brass because they last longer and perform well at higher pressures. If you can get your hands on RL26 and small rifle magnum primers it will deliver some impressive performance. Have the barrel throated for the 156 EOL since you seem to have the room; that combo is all we use for big game now and I run them at 2800 fps. That will get you 1500 ft/lbs out to about 650 and 1000 ft/lbs out to about 1000 yards.
 

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Thanks for the link.
It seems that 6.5 Creedmoor has less recoil than .308 Win. and 6.5-284 Norma a little more than .308. If I use less powder in 6.5-284 Norma to reduce bullet speed to
3000 fps the recoil is the same as .308 Win. But in this case I don't need 6.5-284 Norma.

I didn't expect that. Charge weight has a big influence on recoil.

Fortunateley I have a silencer.

@JTB : I knew about the recoil calculator but never used it.
Results are the same as the link from @FEENIX
 

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Juergen,
I have been using the 6.5 Lapua for about 7 years now, it is easy to find a load for, superbly accurate and the Lapua brass is simply fantastic.
I am biased, I know, BUT Hornady came out with THEIR version of this round, yes it is slightly different, but you know a 10% change has to be made when you copy something, and marketed it as the Be All and End All cartridge and many believed it, including gun writers here and the US.
I honestly feel looking at the ballistics that the Lapua is a far more efficient cartridge...
Alas, the decision is yours at the end of the day, and this is just my opinion.

Cheers.
 

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Thanks for the link.
It seems that 6.5 Creedmoor has less recoil than .308 Win. and 6.5-284 Norma a little more than .308. If I use less powder in 6.5-284 Norma to reduce bullet speed to
3000 fps the recoil is the same as .308 Win. But in this case I don't need 6.5-284 Norma.

I didn't expect that. Charge weight has a big influence on recoil.

Fortunateley I have a silencer.
That's the beauty of reloading; you can tune it for your intended purpose. Muzzle devices are game-changers.
 

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Hello !

I own a rifle with caliber .308 Win. and I am looking for a replacement barrel
with a caliber that has less wind drift than .308 Win.

Quite easy it is for me to change the barrel to
  • .25-06 Rem.
  • 6.5 x 47 Lapua
  • 6.5 Creedmoor
  • 6.5 x 55 SE
  • 6.5 x 57
  • 6.5 x 65 RWS
  • 6.5-284 Norma
  • .270 Win.
  • 7mm-08 Rem.
  • 7 x 57
  • 7 x 64
because I only need to change the barrel. No changes needed at the system.

My requirements are
  • not more recoil than .308 Win.
  • same or better precision than .308 Win.
  • working good with lead free bullets
  • much less wind drift than .308 Win.
  • much flatter trajectory than .308 Win.
  • reasonable barrel wear
  • more power than .308 Win. beyond 300 yards
Availability of factory ammunition is not an issue because I am reloading.

6.5 Creedmoor is shortlisted at the moment. Is 6.5 Creedmoor a good choice
or are some of the listed calibers better than 6.5 Creedmoor ?

Thanks for helping me!

Juergen
I have had good luck with bartline barrels I went through southern precision
 

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Willkommen!

Is having a different solution for deer and average sized boar and another for large boar and moose an option?

Also, given that you are talking about ranges on the order of 300 meters, there are a lot of effective options.

The 6.5CM would work for for deer and average sized boar. But I like the 270 better (and it would continue your streak of non-mm rifles ... .308, .270, .284 all are great options :) )

Freundliche Grüße,
Shane
 

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Juergen:

You have said you intend to buy a replacement barrel directly from Roessler for around $700. For that price, I am wondering if you could order a barrel from an American barrel maker already chambered, throated, and set up with the Roessler installation system.

I ask because that might give you a little more flexibility -- a few more options in caliber, twist rate and throat.

If you want to stick with a Roessler barrel, that narrows your options somewhat.
 

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