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<blockquote data-quote="nmbarta" data-source="post: 1774278" data-attributes="member: 78438"><p>I don't mean to me argumentative, but making generalized statements as far as rage is concerned (650) and then naming specific cartridges (7mm-08,28 nosler) is difficult for me to understand. I don't shoot a 28 nosler, but do shoot a 7x300wm which is basically a ballistic twin. I do shoot a 7mm-08.</p><p>I can tell you without a doubt that there is a very real difference. But for conversations sake, I don't care about the cartridge, just the bullet, and the math.</p><p>There is a million ways to run these numbers to try to skew one way or the other, but to be more than fair, I'm giving the 7mm-08 a 150 berger at 2900, (different bullet than mentions but doesn't change the point) and the 28 nosler a 180@ 3100.</p><p>At 600 yards</p><p>The 28 has about 15" advantage in elevation </p><p>The 28 has about drifts about 13" to 7mm-08's 21"</p><p>The 28's 180 is still going faster at 900 than the 150 is going at 600, </p><p>And finally the 28's energy at 1200 is about the same as the 7-08 at 600. </p><p>So in the determining factors, the 28 has a clear advantage in shot angle, range estimation, wind, and even a slight advantage in one-step blunders given TOF is less, though I don't think that is much at that range.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying anyone should shoot outside their limits by any means, but if your going to limit a 28 nosler to 650, you can't limit a 7mm-08 to 650 if you care about physics.</p><p>The math just doesn't add up.</p><p></p><p>As far as killing goes, everyone has had mixed results with different bullets, but the fact is when you remove the cartridge and any bias, and just look at impact velocity, the results will remain the same (all other things equal). I do understand that rpm based on velocity and twist rate can and does effect terminal ballistics, but for this I don't think that matters.</p><p></p><p>Though I only have dozens if not 100's of big game kills to observe, and not 1000's, I simply disagree that (all things being equal) a 7mm-08 kills just as well as a 28 nosler. It's not just the math, but by observations as well. Dead is dead, and given a perfect shot, it probably doesn't matter as much, but "when things go bad" I'll take the big gun.</p><p></p><p>Again, I'm not looking to stir the pot, I just don't agree with that part.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nmbarta, post: 1774278, member: 78438"] I don't mean to me argumentative, but making generalized statements as far as rage is concerned (650) and then naming specific cartridges (7mm-08,28 nosler) is difficult for me to understand. I don't shoot a 28 nosler, but do shoot a 7x300wm which is basically a ballistic twin. I do shoot a 7mm-08. I can tell you without a doubt that there is a very real difference. But for conversations sake, I don't care about the cartridge, just the bullet, and the math. There is a million ways to run these numbers to try to skew one way or the other, but to be more than fair, I'm giving the 7mm-08 a 150 berger at 2900, (different bullet than mentions but doesn't change the point) and the 28 nosler a 180@ 3100. At 600 yards The 28 has about 15" advantage in elevation The 28 has about drifts about 13" to 7mm-08's 21" The 28's 180 is still going faster at 900 than the 150 is going at 600, And finally the 28's energy at 1200 is about the same as the 7-08 at 600. So in the determining factors, the 28 has a clear advantage in shot angle, range estimation, wind, and even a slight advantage in one-step blunders given TOF is less, though I don't think that is much at that range. I'm not saying anyone should shoot outside their limits by any means, but if your going to limit a 28 nosler to 650, you can't limit a 7mm-08 to 650 if you care about physics. The math just doesn't add up. As far as killing goes, everyone has had mixed results with different bullets, but the fact is when you remove the cartridge and any bias, and just look at impact velocity, the results will remain the same (all other things equal). I do understand that rpm based on velocity and twist rate can and does effect terminal ballistics, but for this I don't think that matters. Though I only have dozens if not 100's of big game kills to observe, and not 1000's, I simply disagree that (all things being equal) a 7mm-08 kills just as well as a 28 nosler. It's not just the math, but by observations as well. Dead is dead, and given a perfect shot, it probably doesn't matter as much, but "when things go bad" I'll take the big gun. Again, I'm not looking to stir the pot, I just don't agree with that part. [/QUOTE]
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