Whats happened with Hybrids?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by tbrice23, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    Is Berger so busy that they are slipping in QC?
    Im sorting by bearing surface and I've never seen this variance in any other lot of hybrids. I've sorted 1000s of their vld and boat tails also , and ended up with complete confidence. So far out 800 out of 1200 I have .007" variance! Can't wait to see what the weight spread is. Maybe have so many that im seeing the wear and tear of the dies.

    Someone please give me hope that the jackets are a lot better quality on this lot than the BS variance.!!
     

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  2. westcliffe01

    westcliffe01 Well-Known Member

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    Now I can see why there are none on the shelf for me to buy.....

    Anytime there is an unbalanced supply/demand situation, the possibility for QC slip-ups increases. If the manufacturer is managing it, those would be taken care of internally. One would also not expect the output of 2 or more machines to be flowing into a single batch of shipping bullets. They should be traceable back to the machine and die they were made on.
     
  3. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    These were not on the shelves. My buddy got these three weeks ago then found out his wife is pregnant. I helped him out.

    They are of the same lot. My last lot of 300 hybrids 80% was within .002".
     
  4. westcliffe01

    westcliffe01 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I was too subtle, but I was suggesting the possibility that Berger was combining the output of more than 1 press which would explain the variance ? Or one is seeing something happening dynamically like a die coming loose. One has to wonder how many parts are made between samples being measured. We as a customer are also not privy to the acceptance criteria which Berger uses. If they were to publish a specification then it would be a bit more binding.
     
  5. Daveinjax

    Daveinjax Well-Known Member

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    Have you contacted Berger about the lot ? If they don't know they can't fix it. They might exchange them if you tell them you are not satisfied with the quality.
     
  6. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    I just broke these open today. Never contacted them before but I will try tomorrow.
    Are you guys seeing this trend also? Honestly I've seen hornady lots with better spreads.
     
  7. tbrice23

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    Noticed these two bearings. In 2 different boxes so far. Hmmm?
     

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  8. Daveinjax

    Daveinjax Well-Known Member

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    It makes me wonder if a machine was coming apart and they didn't catch all the affected bullets.
     
  9. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    Right. Thats what i think. I'll call them. This lot is 5927. FYI
     
  10. blackdog

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    Soooo...........what did they say? Inquiring minds want to know.
     
  11. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    I was told the "bearings"may be the cleaning media. ?????
    The gentleman I spoke with is having the plant manager call me tomorrow.

    I sent pictures and explained my concerns. I'll let you guys know what happens
     
  12. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    This is how bergers most always break down.

    80 to 85% within .002"
     

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  13. Broz

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    I have only had one batch that I was not happy with, ever. (VLD's) It was a cosmetic issue, not weight or bearing lengths. I called and they had me send a few in for their review. Meanwhile they promptly replaced all with a new lot. I think they will take care of you. I look forward to hearing how this works out.

    Jeff
     
  14. tbrice23

    tbrice23 Well-Known Member

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    I had a 500ct box that had black rings left around the bullets circumference. Also cosmetic.

    I sonic cleaned them for a few minutes. All good.