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What if lead was banned by executive order?

AZShooter

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Last August the EPA was considering banning lead bullets. The effort was stopped because there is a congressional mandate written in the Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976. Congress explicitly excluded from this definition "pistols, revolvers and firearms (other than pistols and revolvers), as well as 'hells, and cartridges.' " The NRA reminded the EPA and they dropped the effort.
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The EPA tried but I can't imagine the antis will give up that easily. With all the executive orders that have taken place lately I often think what if the President decided to ban lead? Can you imagine the rush for non lead bullets? They would sell out and many of us wouldn't be able to hunt.

Sure there would be lawsuits but it would take time to reverse it. A friend and I are going to lay in a supply of non lead bullets so if things get strange we can still hunt.

Anyone else feel this way?
 
There would have to be an implementation progression. Existing personal inventory would have to have some consideration.

Barnes
Cutting Edge
Copper Only Projectiles (pistol bullets)
GSC

would all ramp up to max

The democrats would be less popular. The number of unemployed from lead/jacketed lead manufactures would anger everyone.

It probably won't happen. No one would be fooled that it is a secondment attack but..

It could happen....
 
There would have to be an implementation progression. Existing personal inventory would have to have some consideration.

Barnes
Cutting Edge
Copper Only Projectiles (pistol bullets)
GSC

would all ramp up to max

The democrats would be less popular. The number of unemployed from lead/jacketed lead manufactures would anger everyone.

It probably won't happen. No one would be fooled that it is a secondment attack but..

It could happen....

funny about all this but anyone ever hear issues with using lead weights in fishing? I scuba dive lakes near me and it is insane how many lead sinkers I find down there, but nooooo.....never hear any issues with that.
 
funny about all this but anyone ever hear issues with using lead weights in fishing? I scuba dive lakes near me and it is insane how many lead sinkers I find down there, but nooooo.....never hear any issues with that.
Of course not. Fishing and diving does not involved "guns, guns, guns"gun)gun)gun)

We know, the industry, the NRA, state and local 2nd amendment groups, national, state and local hunting organizations all know, it's an end around to infringe.

Criminals, the criminally insane and those with mental health issues do not and will not follow these laws and regulations. Leaving the law abiding and mentally healthy defenseless against illegally armed dangerous predators.

These dangerous predators on their fellow humans are already out there with "illegal" arms. In California the "off list" handguns are in the hands of gang members everywhere in LA. LA has some of the most strictly enforced "gun control" laws in the world and "gun" violence is amongst the highest.

It ain't gonna fix anything.lightbulb
 
I think a lead ban will happen at a state level (from federal pressure), Just as California set precedence (like usual) other states will follow. They just have to make up some outlandish reason and instill some fear in the mush brains out there.
 
Since lead is mined from the ground I think using lead bullets and returning them to their source is the environmentally friendly thing to do.
 
Here are a few quotes that my friend sent me. This is the type of propaganda with some facts thrown in.

This I know to be true:

"29 deaths of AZ/Utah Condors due to lead since 2000. If there were ever a reason to ban lead bullets in AZ, this would give them the reason.
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The next three quotes came from my friend. I cannot say how much is true and how much is propaganda. They are so worried about lead affecting the cognitive abilities of young people yet we have legalization of marijuana.

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"Given the extensive evidence that lead exposure from spent ammunition is harmful to


wildlife it now appears obvious that responsible society will end the use of lead for hunting


throughout much of the world. Accumulating scientific evidence indicates that lead has even


more serious consequences than formerly believed. The majority of rifle-killed animal remains


left in the field and consumed by scavengers are now known to contain considerable quantities of


lead. In addition to condors, the affected species for which data exist include bald eagles, golden


eagles, ravens, mourning doves, upland game birds, and more than 50 other species of birds


known to be poisoned by ingesting spent bullet fragments and shotgun pellets found in the


environment. Indeed, carcasses contain so much lead that hunters must seriously consider


whether human consumers of deer meat are not also at risk. Several investigations have found


elevated lead levels in subsistence hunter families, a serious issue considering that even small


amounts of lead exposure in developing children may substantially and permanently reduce


cognitive ability. No one would knowingly want to so expose their families, but right now


investigations into rates and consequences of human ingestion of spent ammunition are still in

progress."


Commentaries | The Peregrine Fund

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"Given that the American public has been in transition from the use of traditional


lead ammunition projectiles to lead-free substitutes for more than 25 years, the


current efforts to promote lead-free bullets and shot are a logical and appropriate


extension of our modern understanding that this source of lead exposure can


now be eliminated without seriously infringing the right of firearms users to shoot

effective ammunition.

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With such polarization, the government may indeed intervene with further

regulations on the use of lead-based ammunition projectiles on behalf of human health

and wildlife survival (e.g., populations of California condor).

 The dogmatic, non-negotiable, and fear-based misinformation campaign of industry and

user advocates creates a political atmosphere that compromises the interests of their own

constituents by forcing government to consider actions necessary to protect the general

public's welfare and wildlife heritage. Their tactics are, therefore, more likely to result in

a ban of lead-based ammunition than the science-based information campaign provided
by private, state, and federal researchers.

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If there is an executive order I doubt we can use up all our lead first. I believe there would be a very short time where we could use lead. IIRC the banning of lead for waterfowl shooting took place so the next season we all had to comply.

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Not sure how many know that lead wheel weights are banned in California, Washington, New York, Vermont, and Maine?
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As for lead sinkers; WHERE HAVE LEAD SINKERS BEEN BANNED?
• Great Britain banned the use of lead sinkers in 1987.
• In Canada, it is illegal to use lead sinkers and jigs in national parks.
• The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is currently considering banning the use of lead sinkers and jigs on national wildlife refuges where loons and Trumpeter swans breed.
• Lead sinker use is banned in three national refuges and Yellowstone National Park in the United States.
• Maine banned the sale of lead sinkers and jigs less than one oz.
• New York banned the sale of lead sinkers less than one oz.
• New Hampshire passed a ban on the use of lead sinkers and jigs less than one oz. and less than one inch.
• As of 2006, a ban on the sale of lead sinkers and jigs will also be put into effect in New Hampshire.
 
LEAD IS DANGEROUS. I personally saw several coyotes that died from lead exposure from spent ammunition this year on my lease in s. Texas. Saw them right in the crosshairs
 
If lead was that dangerous the whole east coast would be inhabited due to lead water pipes and the millions of Civil War lead balls and mini-balls left in the earth. Its all Stuff and Nonsense perpetrated by people with a social agenda (gun control) or monetary reasons ( Sierra Club, Peregrine fund etc). This also applies to Global Warming and any other specious theory foisted on us as an "emergency".
See the story of Chicken Little for the full analysis. lol !!
 
Some of the anti lead information could be bad science regardless lead is slowly being removed from our lives. I was just saying that we could have the rug pulled out from underneath us by executive order! Imagine the bullet shortage if we could not use lead in our bullets. I bought some non lead hunting bullets as insurance. Choice is yours.
 
What's the big deal? Why don't you get some lead, some molds, and make your own bullets. I've been doing it for years. Lead is easy to come by. I have over 500 pounds in ingots and it didn't cost me anything more than the time and effort to smelt it. I make bullets (and lead shot) as needed.

I don't care if the government bans lead bullets. I have enough to last more than a lifetime and you can too if you just set your mind to it.
 
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