Vortex 6x24x50 for ~$1100 or a similar leupold?

[1uhBsniper]

I plan on doing a medium amount of clicking and I want either a Vortex or a leupold scope that will stay accurate but has high power. I heard a mark 3 is priced the same but has better glass but I can't find one I'm beginning to think that they are old stiff and not sold by retailers anymore. Also I don't want to spend over $1100.

 

[stomp442]

I vote to hold out for the luepold. I have not had great luck with vortex optics. Everyone I have had has needed to be shipped off for repair. Customer service is great but I would rather not know that and be satisfied with the product I purchased.

 

[42769vette]

I vote to hold out for the luepold. I have not had great luck with vortex optics. Everyone I have had has needed to be shipped off for repair. Customer service is great but I would rather not know that and be satisfied with the product I purchased.

I have the exact opposite experience. Of the 3 leupold products I've owned all had to be sent back (2 vx3 scope's and a rx1200 range finder) NONE were fixed by leupold. Of the 9 Vortex products I've owned none have needed sent back.

 

[gjk5]

I have had great luck with both Leupold and Vortex, had to send a couple of Vortex products back, but it was due to my rough treatment (binos).

I think the more important ?? is WHICH Vortex are you looking at for that $$?

That is above the MSRP of the HSLR FFP I believe

 

[406precision]

Id go vortex we use a ton of their optics and I personally own a 4-16x44 hst, 4 -16x50 ffp xlr,both ffp and sffp 6-24x50 psts and a 5-20x50 razor, not to mention a 20-60x85 razor hd spotter and have never had any trouble with them. I have run the xlr and pst's on 338 lapuas for hundreds of rounds with no issues.

Any manufacture out there can have a product go bad or break...but its' nice to know your *** is covered with vortex products even if you do the breaking

Jordan@406

 

[1uhBsniper]

Yes I will go Vortex a viper 6x24x50 but a friend told me his friend had tons of vortexs and he thought he said to stay away from the ffp's. Why would this be could be have meant stay away from the 2nd focal points

 

[gjk5]

Yes I will go Vortex a viper 6x24x50 but a friend told me his friend had tons of vortexs and he thought he said to stay away from the ffp's. Why would this be could be have meant stay away from the 2nd focal points

The FFP's are great for the intended purpose, Too pricey though.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I have 'em both and other than my stupidity causing issues (a Leupold), I've had no issues with either. The issue was resolved promptly and with little consternation on my part. I admitted it was my fault and Leupold fixed the scope. paid the shipping both ways and included 2 extra turret caps for the particular scope (Benchrest Target Mk3).

Either is good IMO. Having said that, my next scope (this spring) will be a Leupold VX3. In the back of my mind is the 'buy American' train of thought, something I do if possible and Leupold might use offshore sourced components but all scopes are assembled in Beaverton, Oregon by American workers (VX3's are completely machined in Beaverton, BTW).

Vortex isn't. In fact the cheaper Vortex lines are Chinese and the higher end lines are assembled in the Phillipenes with Japanese glass and who knows where components. If you look at the erector housing on a PST or Razor it states that 'Made in Phillipenes'

Vortex employs minimal US workers (ie: folks like you and me) whereas Leupoild (and Stevens) employs over 600 American workers, thats important to me, may not be to you.

I sometimes think that companies like Vortex (which started life as an outfitter of outdoor equipment) but got into selling optics instead, just replaces a returned scope with another of the same instead of actually repairing a returned one because I'm not sure if they can actually repair a defective optic (whereas Leupold can btw).

Not trying to portray anything here or transform this thread into a 'bash offshore products' thread, just stating my personal feelings about making informed decisions.

I do know that typical markup on optics (of any brand) from manufacturer to distributor to retail seller is around 250% so there is plenty of room for profit versus cost in repair/replacement of defective merchandise....

If it was possible (it's not btw), to purchase hard goods at actual production costs, you'd never pay over 200 bucks for any scope, S&B included and your family buggy would be a couple grand for a loaded to the hilt model of the finest lugs your *** vehicle made....

It don't work that way however. Retail (end cost) is based solely on 'what the market will bear' and always has been and 99% of the time has no correlation on the procuction costs.

In a nutshell, no issues with either brand but I'd buy the Leupold because......

I have no issues with offshore products other than personal choices so I'm not going to 'beat the drum' here except to say it's my personal preference and may or may not be yours.

 

[CanuckShooter]

Leupold anyday.....

 

[1uhBsniper]

Yeah you are right about Leupold being more respectable and original but my wallet is willing to make compromises. I decided not to go with a ffp because I never have used one before and 2ndfp are quite cheaper. From the factory the ffp costs 1050 and the other 840.

 

[SidecarFlip]

The subtensions on the FFP remain constant throughout the magnification range, allowing you to range with the scope (so loing as the side focus 'parallelax' turret's graduations correspond to actual distance), some do, some don't.

The only way to really find out is using an optical collimator.

The subtensions on an SFP scope only allow you to range at maximum magnification and/or where the manufacturer states the subtension corresponds to the side focus turret (usually at maximum magnification).

Me, I have a good rangefinder but in a pinch, it gives a rough estimate.

I don't own any FFP scopes. Have no need and can spend the dollars elsewhere. To me, it's another gimmick that adds cost. JMO.

 

[1uhBsniper]

gun) you and me think alike then now to go buy one. Should I get regular rings or get some MOA in some? I'll have 65 MOA and in order to shoot 1000 yards with my gun I'll need about 40. It's close but witha little holdover it might be just right.

 

[Deleted member 71114]

I have 'em both and other than my stupidity causing issues (a Leupold), I've had no issues with either. The issue was resolved promptly and with little consternation on my part. I admitted it was my fault and Leupold fixed the scope. paid the shipping both ways and included 2 extra turret caps for the particular scope (Benchrest Target Mk3).

Either is good IMO. Having said that, my next scope (this spring) will be a Leupold VX3. In the back of my mind is the 'buy American' train of thought, something I do if possible and Leupold might use offshore sourced components but all scopes are assembled in Beaverton, Oregon by American workers (VX3's are completely machined in Beaverton, BTW).

Vortex isn't. In fact the cheaper Vortex lines are Chinese and the higher end lines are assembled in the Phillipenes with Japanese glass and who knows where components. If you look at the erector housing on a PST or Razor it states that 'Made in Phillipenes'

Vortex employs minimal US workers (ie: folks like you and me) whereas Leupoild (and Stevens) employs over 600 American workers, thats important to me, may not be to you.

I sometimes think that companies like Vortex (which started life as an outfitter of outdoor equipment) but got into selling optics instead, just replaces a returned scope with another of the same instead of actually repairing a returned one because I'm not sure if they can actually repair a defective optic (whereas Leupold can btw).

Not trying to portray anything here or transform this thread into a 'bash offshore products' thread, just stating my personal feelings about making informed decisions.

I do know that typical markup on optics (of any brand) from manufacturer to distributor to retail seller is around 250% so there is plenty of room for profit versus cost in repair/replacement of defective merchandise....

If it was possible (it's not btw), to purchase hard goods at actual production costs, you'd never pay over 200 bucks for any scope, S&B included and your family buggy would be a couple grand for a loaded to the hilt model of the finest lugs your *** vehicle made....

It don't work that way however. Retail (end cost) is based solely on 'what the market will bear' and always has been and 99% of the time has no correlation on the procuction costs.

In a nutshell, no issues with either brand but I'd buy the Leupold because......

I have no issues with offshore products other than personal choices so I'm not going to 'beat the drum' here except to say it's my personal preference and may or may not be yours.

Here in fact is another example of a blow hard, someone who assumes or heard from a friend who heard from a friend.

Maybe you should take a trip to Madison, WI. Middleton is just outside of Madison and take a tour of Vortex they do indeed have a customer service repair dept. with employees evaluating and technicians repairing bino's and scopes.

From the looks of it, they do also have a large amount of US citizens employed there as well.



To the original poster
Both are great brands find what you like and go for it.

osoh

 

[1uhBsniper]

Did you watch that video on YouTube about the blowhard who heard from a friend its hilarious can't remember who made it. Thanks for all the help.