Virgin brass, or once fired!

Ryan Tockstein

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I still have had great results with Winchester, but I prep it too. I run it through a FL die (the neck is resized, just barely off the shoulder) I ream the primer pockets, deburr the flash holes, I use a Sinclair VLD inside neck deburring tool. I also crimp all my loads with the LEE FCD. I had one new WW cases in the 300 WSM that I had to cull. The round would feed through the magazine, but just inserted into the chamber, it would not allow the Kimber 8400 Extractor to snap over it. I chunked it hard, far away from my sight, with muttered words of hate, mixed with relief that I had discovered it at the range, and not in the field Aargh! Can't stand that, ha. ( Did I mention I was OCD for reliability? :))

Now, recently, I bought some RWS .270 & 300WM. I still ream the primer pockets ( it just flattens the bottom of the pocket) run them through the FL die, use the VLD deburr. I don't weigh/sort the brass, I also crimp them. Both rifles, with the loads they like, give "outstanding" accuracy! Winchester factory loads in both grouped two to three times bigger! For Me, I use alot of Nosler ( but not for the 300s) and for the WinMag I've had good luck with Jagemann and Sig Sauer. If a new, prepped case groups well, consistently, I will load 20-50 loads in new cases and set aside, just for hunting. I then use the fired cases for practice or trying other bullets I am just playing with.
Rev,

I do nearly the same exact thing with my brass! Long live the Lee FCD.

So in saying you've had great results, are you saying your virgin brass loads group about the same as the once and twice fired?

I always do load workup on new brass, and it seems to work out sometimes and other time it doesn't... But I think that is because I'm a pretty poor shot.

Do you anneal at all? How many firings do you get on your Winchester brass?
 

RevJim

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I "normally" use new, virgin brass for load workup. There has been a few times when my once fired brass did not reproduce the same results, but not often. What I like to do is, after I've found a repeatable, accurate load in virgin brass, I will load up 50 new cases and set these aside for hunting. I then will load the fired cases for practice, etc.. I don't anneal and I look to get about 3-5 firings per magnum cases, and 4+ with standard. I don't try to get every shot out of each one, I'm far too "spooked" about reliability for that, ha. I do use a LEE Case Trimmer though and closely inspect my cases as I go along. Of course, some Lots of brass, in any brand, seem to have the primer pockets loosen up fast. I just go through them, and if a pocket "feels" too loose, I chunk it. I use a Lee Hand Primer for standard cases and a Sinclair Hand Primer for magnum cases. Hope that helps? Good luck to you pard! Rev Jim
 

Ryan Tockstein

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One really big one I want to figure out is what adjustment to make going from virgin brass to once fired to twice fired in order to maintain as nearly the same accurate group as possible, if worked up with virgin brass.

I think part of the reason it works sometimes for me, is that I usually FL size all my virgin brass, the same as I would if it was fired several times. But what is the factor I need to adjust to have consistent success?

Coal? Charge weight? My skill? 😂
 

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