I have played with 4 or 5 Creedmoors using factory ammo. The velocity with 143 ELD-X loads from Hornady has been 2550-2650 depending on the rifle. I ran into a guy hunting with a Ruger American who claimed 3100 fps with 140 Bergers. What velocities are you guys typically getting with this caliber. I find it hard to believe the the factory stuff comes up 500 fps short.