Understanding the 308 win

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  1. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    Well... You get in enough trouble in your life, you will learn how to get out of it, too. ;)
     
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  2. TejasRider

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    I have to agree completely. If a buddy called and said "grab a gun" with no further details it would likely be my .308 coming with me.
     
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  3. lefty308

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    Yes sir. Cant really ever go wrong with a 308
     
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    I actually have used a .308 in many types of rifles both on and off the job; so to speak, and found nothing wrong with the .308 Win/7.62x51mm NATO cartridge. It's a wonderful cartridge and my go-to cartridge'..., for just about anything, yes within reason. Most of my usage was with the 147gr FMJ and/or the 168gr & 175gr match Mk's loads. When I did take one (sporting version) to the game field, I shot everything from 100gr to 200gr bullet depending on the game or varmint. So let say it as oh... I don't know; 175gr class bullet; with 900 fpe at 1000, which is "just" under a .44 Mag at the muzzle, I'm guessing. So, as you step back in the yardage it just gets better... with that said it is a lethal cartridge no doubt. Is it a 1000 yard meat gun, NO! could kill at 1K with the right bullet placement, yes'.., most cartridges will but it's really not a big game cartridge at that distance, however, it does a heck of a job on paper at 1K. and if you can hold the waterline and read wind you can do some real damage to targets at 1K, in fact, I was just messing around one day and I managed to clip at Ground Hog at 1014 yards off a bi-pod rest in two rounds. In matches, over the years, in and out of the United State... I've used the .308 Win with a 175gr in many 1K matches and never felt handicapped. It really is a remarkable cartridge case, and the proof is in the many wildcat cartridges it spawned over the years that became legitimized by the gun industry, now that high praise indeed. So... "Yes, the .308 Win is well worth the effort."
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  5. Rflshootr

    Rflshootr Well-Known Member

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    Unless I'm mistaken, Remington put 12 twist barrel on their 308 varmint rifles including my 308 VLS. My rifle is capable of 5 shot 1/2" groups and less with 168gr and lighter bullets. I have never been able to get heavier bullets to shoot these size groups. Anything heavier and the groups would open to .75-1.00. Even Berger's twist calculator says 185 VLDs are marginally stable with a 12 twist. Just something to think about when you order bullets. Personally, I'd go with 168's or lighter, whatever suits your need.
    And btw, 165's @2700fps are perfectly capable of a 600 yard shot on deer.
     
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  6. Seymour

    Seymour Active Member

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    My apologies for not responding sooner. Being a John Deere field tech this time of year makes for a long day.

    I wish I could go back and respond to each of you but my thumbs would hate me.

    I thank all of you who have shared input on this cartridge especially load data, other than the pile of book I have I didn’t know where to start.

    Of all I have read from y’all what surprises me is the use of heavy for caliber bullets. I guess I alway thought everyone ran lighter bullet due to case capacity.

    Again I thank you all, and really appreciate the fact that y’all will share your acquired info with people.
     
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  7. Seymour

    Seymour Active Member

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    And thank you for sharing photos of your rifles each one is outstanding!
     
  8. BW64

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    Tp pic 5 rounds 195 SMKT with Varget
    Bottom pic 5 rounds 175 SMKT with 4064 26" tube @100. I've had both out to 1880 with goo success.
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  9. Poppadoer

    Poppadoer Well-Known Member

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    Don't get much better than that.
     
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    Reloder28 Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4977783/1

    Seymour,
    If you peruse the attached thread you will see dozens & dozens of kills beyond 300 yards with a 308 & 155 gr Scenar's from Lapua. Pictures are worth a 1000 words.

    I own five 308's. I have one load I can use in all of them very accurately, 48.5 gr Varget with a 155 Scenar @ 2900 fps. Not too shabby from a short little cartridge.

    308 Winchester was my first rifle at 18 years old. At 60 years of age it is still my number one & I have been an avid reloader since I was 12. So, I have had many choices over the years.
     
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  11. JCSZ

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    I enjoy my 308, I have a Remington 700 LTR and it is a nice little rifle, I mainly shoot 168gr BTHP or 168gr Nosler BT over AR2208 (Varget) and limit the range to 600m. Having a 300wm for longer ranges adds to the likability of the 308win.

    All that said, more recently the trends toward 6.5 etc have kicked it out of favour with gun writers, this doesn't mean that the 308w doesn't perform and perform well within its planning range.
    It is unfortunate that many younger hunters will read some of the utter dribble about the 308 on the internet and bypass what is one of the best intermediate range cartridges developed for medium game.
     
  12. e1harris

    e1harris Well-Known Member

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    My 20" 308 Win firing 180gr Swift A-frames at 2536 fps is good on Elk out to about 450 yards.