Trigger magazine: 25 creedmoor - ultimate hybrid or ballistic bastard?

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  1. 257 Blackjack

    257 Blackjack Well-Known Member

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    How does 25 Creedmoor stack up to 6 Creed and 6.5 Creed? The same question can be asked and answered for really any same-parent cartridge comparison.

    I'm not sure how long this issue of TRIGGER has been on the shelves but we got the alert to go pickup a copy.

    So far guys have said they are at Walmart, Bass Pro, Cabelas, and some other stores.

    Glad to see the author shot some light bullets out of a Fast Twist and showed great results - AND SPEEEED!

    The target distance referenced in the second picture below was some 1036 yds and has been indicative of all the reports we've been getting from our shooters. 0.330 G7 is a good starting point but to hit things at long range you may need to bump it up to 0.345 G7.

    The author also brought some light to the first trials of 25 Creedmoor as a market cartridge 2fitty-Hillbilly. Overall a great writeup. Please show the magazine to your buddies if you pickup a copy!

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  2. jasonco

    jasonco Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    Picking up steam. Waiting for pre-fit..........
     
  3. Brakeman

    Brakeman Member

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    Very intriguing...would love to see some prefits for popular turnbolts...would have a hard time resisting:)

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  4. FEENIX

    FEENIX Well-Known Member

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    Marketing hype or not, I welcome it.
     
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  5. lee31

    lee31 Well-Known Member

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    Awesome. Pretty soon I’m going to be telling guys I shot high bc .257 bullets before they were cool. Lol
     
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    Evidently this issue is no longer on the news stands, anyone have a PDF copy of the article they could share? Particularly interested in the handload data...
     
  7. BallisticsGuy

    BallisticsGuy Well-Known Member

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    Handload data ain't gunna be very different than 6CM or 6.5CM. Something like 40 grains of a high energy slow burner like H4350 or Hybrid 100V
     
  8. 257 Blackjack

    257 Blackjack Well-Known Member

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    I will post the full article after this quarter is over. The magazine will be on the shelves for 3 months.

    I know it's sold out in my hometown but there are copies at the bigger sporting good stores.

    BallisticsGuy, one of the best things about this 25 Creed spread is the author includes varmint loads all the way up to 3450 fps in light bullets.

    I'll update with a pic shortly.
     
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    257 Blackjack Well-Known Member

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    Varmint loads for 25 Creed

    Nosler 85 grain BT would still make a short range deer and coyote whacker.

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  10. BallisticsGuy

    BallisticsGuy Well-Known Member

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    The best part of the article is the data? It's only 4 powders with no min-max data or any idea of how they pressured up. Man y'all got low standards.

    Like I said, take the same data you'd use for 6CM or 6.5CM from their light bullet data if you're worried about ultra light bullets, cut 10% and work up and you've got everything the article talks about and then some. Folks, it's not hard to get data you don't have. I spend tons of time off the reservation. When I don't know how much powder to start with, I don't worry about it. I have data for plenty of other similar cases. Data below is for 6.5CM with a V-max varmint bullet. Notice the similarity? Imagine what would happen if you cut 10% and worked up.

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  11. 257 Blackjack

    257 Blackjack Well-Known Member

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    I said that was one of best parts about the article - the author threw a wide net for all kinds of shooters.

    The best part was when the author stated that the 25 Creed outperforms the most popular cartridge, the 6.5 creedmoor (even with uncorrected 0.351 G7 referenced for the 0.335 G7 147 ELD M), and one of the most popular PRS cartridges the 6 Creedmoor (although I would say the 6 Creed fits PRS Style matches very well despite the barrel life while the 25 Creed will hunt a little better with more energy).

    Also, the part when he reiterated what has been found with every report coming back from the field - 0.330 G7 is conservative - 0.5 mils at 1037 yds in his situation. We have heard this from a lot of shooters. Oehler 89 will be here in a couple of months and we will publish testing from different types of barrels and speeds.

    I don't think about shooting light-for-caliber bullets like the ones shown above, so I was glad he included them. We get a lot of questions about this but I don't have the time to test 20 different bullets/powders of similar performance for load data.

    Some guys don't mind starting on their own but the gross % of guys need reference data and most often with the exact cartridge and powder listed.
     
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  12. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    I'm kind of interested to read the article about the non-NFA suppressor... Did a google search, can't find anything about it... Anyone with a copy care to share any info about the article?
     
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  13. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    A lot of fake news with a dash of voodoo sprinkled in. There are no 25 cal bullets that can run with the 6's and 6.5's. That's a hard cold fact. There are no 25 cal bullets anywhere close to .330 G7 BC. Cartridges do determine BC, sectional density and form factor do. You can't bend physics anymore than you can make water run uphill... which is a physics thing. The larger corporate manufacturers of ammo, bullets and guns spend a lot of money marketing their wares and you can bet any published BC's from Nosler, Hornady, Speer, etc are an exaggeration ( I was nice and didn't say lie)

    Hey, I'm not knocking the Creed, it's a good little cartridge. But the 6 Creed and 6.5 Creed are going to be out shouting the 25 Creed for quite a while until the bullet makers star doing some R&D and produce some long, sleek, heavy for cal bullets in .257

    Cheers
     
  14. Korhil78

    Korhil78 Well-Known Member

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    I do believe the blackjack bullet is a 25 cal. 131 Gr bullet that has a .330 G7 BC.
     
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