I went to a crossbow 4 years ago and hung the bow up. My son (17) says to me: Dad, can we get the old Bow set up for me? Who was I to refuse? So, $140 bucks later, the old Q2 is all shaped up with carbons (I used to shoot aluminum Super Slams) a Whisker Biscuit (I thought that was something else) and a new stabilizer. My son is off to the races. I'm still going over fundamentals with him (Get that death grip off the riser, anchorage points, consistency, etc.) but he's shooting OK at 20 yards. He's got time to practice before the rut and I'm drilling him on the summit climber and all of the hazards of getting busted, scent, etc. I'm glad I hung on to the Q2! They dialed it back to 57 lbs., for him. I tried it myself and it was if I had never put it down.