Here it is,the thread you have been waiting for....(BignGreen) Im going to start it of by sharing the advice my Dad gave me when he finally let me go after Elk."Hit'em square in the shoulder and dont stop shooting till they stop moving".He didnt let me go after elk till I was big enough and experienced enough to shoot the 7 mag (his idea of the bottom end of the LR elk rifle caliber) and my first elk kill was a 600+ yard bedded cow,we shot simultaneously and neither his bull or my yearling cow got out of their beds.The next year I went out by myself and deciding I knew everything there was to know about elk hunting I took a poor shot (head shot) at a spike and spent the rest of that day tracking a wounded elk and the rest of the next day dragging it out piece by piece from the hell hole I followed it in to,would have been a 500 yard downhill drag if I had dropped it where it stood with a good shoulder shot.My embarrassment at having to explain to my Dad why I needed help the next day was excruciating,wounding game was not a hot topic with Dad. Elk are Elk no matter where you hunt and Id share his advice with anyone looking to hunt them,the small amount of shoulder meat you might destroy by anchoring them with a shoulder shot is of no matter when you compare it to the alternative.If you have hunted elk for very long you know how tough they are and should have enough respect for them to take a shot that has the best chance of dropping them with as much gun as you can shoot confidently.Will a .223 through the heart kill an elk?Yep.Will a lung shot elk hit with a 30.06 run over a couple ridges never to be found?Quite possibly.Will an elk with 2 broke shoulders and/or a severed spine get very far. Nope. There are lots of guys out there who dont have the experience some of us do with Elk and I dont see how discussing our opinions on how they should be killed is in any way detrimental to a hunting forum.Many new elk hunters can pick up some very valuable advice from reading these posts and Im sure some of them enjoy reading the differing opinions on calibers and shot placement.My "elk rig" is an 8mm Rem Mag loaded with 180 gr Barnes TSX,the exact rifle my Dad had in his hands the day I took my first elk(been re-scoped and restocked a few times since then),there are plenty of rifles in my gun room that will do the job but none of them make me feel close to my late Father the way the "8 mag" does when it drops and elk in his tracks.gun) Remembered I had a pic from that day...we shot from that ridge in the background,(my Dad was so proud of me making my first "LR" kill he made sure he got the shooting location in this pic when we came back the next morning) had to drag them out the bottom the next day.That was 1990,about 20 elk ago.